Shapira, Yoav wrote:
Hi, I read the original thread again. Some of Costin's objections are no longer relevant (e.g. Struts and log4j moving out of Jakarta). Some of the pro-community arguments (paraphrased as tomcat brings more visibility to other jakarta projects) I don't think change if tomcat is its own top-level project.
To be honest - my objections no longer matter.
This whole "move out" is started by different groups outside jakarata who felt jakarta was getting too big ( and their favorite projects got less attention or recognition ).
I currently agree with Mladen that it would be much better to "move out" of apache altogheter.
I already quit Ant pmc and project ( they implemented the board recommandation to remove the names of the authors from their code - which I consider incompatible with my principles and open source practices ). Currently tomcat is the only project that keeps me around in ASF.
Fact is - in Jakarta or as TLP, tomcat code will still be under the control of the ASF board, and will still be owned by ASF - with no real
legal rights for the tomcat committers. Well - the 3 or 4 of us who are "members" ( Remy, Craig, Justina, Pier ) do have a vote in electing the board and are theoretically copyright holders of the code. And it is true that ASF is usually hiding the reality of its legal organization - so most of the time we can just ignore it.
For a long time I tought we could have an environment in jakarta where developer opinion matters - even if it means readings hundreds of emails and flame wars on jakarta-general or pmc. And I tought that I can ignore the parts of ASF I don't agree with - like it's top-down management and lack of real legal rights for developers over the code they work on.
I was wrong.
Costin
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