There is the java pet shop project, which someone eluded to, there are offshoots of that project with a good deal of optimization done, and update done to the code, there is a free version and another one that is minimal charge of $199.

https://betterpetshop.dev.java.net/ another offshoot
http://www.ibatis.com/jpetstore/jpetstore.html
http://www.sygel.com/en/Products/Petstore.html

I'll

From: "Daniel Watrous" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [OT]web development fee
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:02:43 -0700

I have heard of http://www.merchantspace.com/product/index.jsp. I haven't used it though. A search on Google will likely give you a handful to choose from. Also you might consider taking ideas from the Java Pet Store.

The hourly rate depends on a lot of things. I can't make a good generalization about hourly rate...

Daniel

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Daniel,

Thanks for the response. No, what I develop for my employer is not eCommerce
related. They are mostly for internal processing. Some of my web application
are used by our call centers.


Among the 3 options that you have stated, I think I will go with either #1
or #3. If I go with #3, do you know where I can find such application?

Also, can you tell me what is the going rate for a contract job like this?
$50/hr, $100/hr, or more? I don't have any idea at all.

Thank you very much for your help and all the other posters' help!


----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Watrous" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Epyonne,

First off, I don't think that you hijacked anyone's thread, but this list
seems to be very sensitive to that (and perhaps more affected by it than
other lists I have seen).

From my experience there are a couple of options you can pursue:
1) You could build the application from the ground up and charge an hourly
rate. The rate will have to be agreed upon by you and the person
contracting you.
2) You could develop the eCommerce application at your own cost and sell a
license to it. In this case you would have more direct control over the
features you build into it. Also, while this costs you more up front
there
is more possibility to recover the cost in selling multiple licenses.
3) You could purchase a license to an existing application and adapt it to
meet your clients' needs. In this case you would likely charge a flat fee
to recover your hard costs for the purchase and an hourly after that for
any
adaptations.  In this case I personally would ask for the hard costs up
front so as to not go to the expense and then have the client change
his/her
mind.

Now about the way you asked your question, I'm not sure if the "web
application" you have developed for your employer is an eCommerce
application.  In the event that it is eCommerce related you will likely
use
that as a base for whatever you build for your new client. In this case
you
should discuss with your employer how he feels about you building off of a
code base that he has funded. It may be that you could work out an
arrangement with your employer to accomplish option 3 above, and that your
employer will give you a "license" at a significant savings to you.


As far as contracts go, you should probably consult with a lawyer for
that.

Daniel

----- Original Message ----- From: "epyonne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:26 AM
Subject: [OT]web development fee


Since I am using Outlook Express, I did not realize that I was attaching
to
someone else thread and I apologize for that. I am starting a new thread
here and hopefully someone can help me.

I have been developing Java web application for my employer for a few
years,
but these are all running on our company's intranet only. Now someone is
asking me to develop an eCommerce site. I don't know how to charge him.
Can
someone please give me some ideas of the going rate and what kind of
contractual agreement I need? Is there anything else I need to watch out
for?

I am in the United States and I plan to use a commercial hosting company
to
host the site. It will cost around $30-40 a month.

Any help will be very much appreciated.

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