neal wrote:

>Micael,
>
>You've mentioned Struts a couple of times and I admit I am curious.
>
>I did look into Struts but to be honost I wasn't all that impressed by what
>(I think) I saw. It seemed like it was just offering a lot of lightweight
>wrappers around the API.  Case in point, the Cookie utility class didn't
>appear to offer any additional functionality over the http.cookie class in
>the JDK. It's connection pooling was even pretty rudamentary so I went
>around that.  I presume that its XML/XSL, and other such things would also
>be rundamentary probably too. And actually, did I say a lot?  I looked at
>the API and I didnt think there was a lot there...
>
>All those things I'm saying wouldn't be bad per se, except that I don't want
>to learn a whole new API to do basically what Java already does with it's
>own standard API (again back to the wrapper thing).
>
>Granted the MVC pattern implementation is apparentlly very good but I'm not
>seeing that as a huge stumbling block to write on my own. They also appear
>to provide custom tags wrappers around their API so that you can keep your
>code totally declarative (code based) at the JSP level. Ok, that would be
>cool ... but again I just don't want to be realying on a non-standard API
>still for standard functionality.  I'll end up forgetting the JDK API in
>lieu of Struts API.  :(
>
One point to note:  The JSTL (you can find the RI under the taglibs 
project) - aka the Java Standard Tag Library - can be used in lieu of 
some Struts tags.  If you're worried about forgetting standards, use 
this one.  It's *the* standard, and should be what people adopt in their 
JSP pages (where possible).

(also, Struts doesn't hide the Java API - you work with the same 
request/response you would otherwise.  There are just additional pieces 
around to make your life easier.)

Regards,

Eddie

>
>
>SOOOO, this is my initial impression of Struts.  I dont know ... what do you
>think?  Am I totally off base with my concerns and/or assessment of the
>package?  If so, please let me know.  I am open to being proven wrong here.
>I've heard Struts is a great package ... its just the cost-benefit (time to
>learn vs. gain in productivity) analysis doesn't seem to be pointing me in
>that direction right now. :)
>



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