I think you have a great idea yoom! yoom nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Bravo guys, my proposal with some organization could be a solution to our problems here.
Yoom ----- Original Message ----- From: Lior Shliechkorn Date: Thursday, October 17, 2002 4:48 pm Subject: Re: Ok people > > Thanks Greg. You're right, much of the organization of the > documentation leaves my head spinning. And it's not exactly in > terms where one who first approaches the software can just sit and > configure and run wild with it. I never came to waste people's > time, but I don't know where to look a lot of the time. And sites > off of search engines are usually a maze themselves. > Many people have been a great and tremendous source of help that > allowed me to leave the office and go home before the witching > hour on this user list. As well as making the severe headaches > this software can provide subside. > It's good to know that I have the support of people such as > youself. It definitely helps get a good start on learning what I > need to move ahead. > Thanks. > Greg Bullough wrote:At 12:22 PM 10/17/02 - > 0700, Lior Shliechkorn wrote: > >Limited knowledge, and often confusion, doesn't attribute to > questions > >being asked in the same way that you, who have that knowledge, > would like > >things phrased. I don't need people to gang up on me and tell me > that I'm > >being "rude and arrogant" in the way I ask things > > What Lior has underlined, and what we really should take to heart, > is the > manner > in which the Open Source movement is occasionally its own worst enemy. > > Let's face it...the documentation is often nonexistent, out of > date, or > generally awful. > Tomcat is a beautiful thing...with ugly docs that merit the > forgoing > criticisms. > > Now to be fair, I can't blame anyone for not writing docs for > free. After > all, one of the FEW > ways to make money in Open Source is to write for O'Reilly or Que > or > whomever. But > of course you can't do that when the target is moving really > really fast. > Or not effectively > anyway. I also can't blame them because *I* haven't done it, and > so I don't > get to > bitch too loud :-) And some fine folks already have exceeded the > call of > duty by > giving us, I say GIVING us Tomcat! > > But look at where the jakarta.apache.com points us to for > FAQs...jguru.com, > which is a > for-pay site! That's just a bad strategy, when there are so many > nice FAQ > hosting > packages available under the CopyLeft. > > Dumb little things, like 'don't use the RPMs,' the explanation > which a > couple of guys > here gave me for my teething troubles, can consume a lot of time. > They ate > a day of > mine. I admit, I hesitated about posting what seemed to me to be a > dumb > question > here, for fear of getting into a flame-war when someone might say > 'RTFM.' > The alternatives, like Cold Fusion, have kick-ass documentation, > both with the > server and written by a few supporters of the platform. The reason > that CF > has been so successful...and is apt to fail now...is because it > early on gave > software developers what they wanted to build things quickly, > easily, and in > a way they could make a good living. Since Macromedia is falling > down on > that 'give the developers what they want' measure, there's an > opportunity for > the combination of Tomcat and the Jakarta classes/tags to sieze a > big chunk > of that following. > > This stuff *is* kind of hard to get going on. Without well- > organize docs, > it's REALLY > hard. When the next thing is that someone slaps you around for > asking what they > regard as a 'dumb' question, well it doesn't do much for the > proliferation > of the > platform. > > Greg > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more > faith.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail: --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com
