Will While I understand your point, I kinda feel like its a sell-out. I do understand the problem is at the user level, however I dont feel that is a justification for the problem. We all likely followed the same process to become members of this list. Why should I or anyone else be tolerant of those who chose to take shortcuts and not read the information provided as a part of that membership? Everyone on this list chose to become a part of it, and as such we should all hold ourselves accountable to being upstanding members.
One of the most glaring points you make is that people just dont read the guidelines...well if thats so then why on Earth are we considering sending FAQ's to the list? If they didnt read it when they subscribed what makes anyone believe they will read it off the list? My point is this, there seem to be 2 viable solutions to the issue: active moderation by a moderator, or we police ourselves. I dont think anyone has time to actively moderate these lists, nor do I think its whats best for the list, so.... I in no way, shape, or form believe the list will never have irrelevant/off topic discussions, but I do think that the amount can be mitigated. Anyway, I'm not gonna flog a dead horse, this is my last post on the matter. On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 17:04, Will Hartung wrote: > > From: "Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 12:21 PM > > Subject: Re: FAQ (was Re: MY ATTIT...) > > > > Wouldnt it be sufficient for the users of this list to simply stop > > replying to people when they do not follow the very simple set of rules > > set out on the apache website? > > Simply put, Bill, it's not a list problem, but a personal issue with every > member of the group. > Here's why. > > As should be glaringly apparent, folks simply don't read or choose not to > follow printed guidelines. > Also, bad behavior is list specific and tends to come with history. Some of > it is glaring, "Free PORN -- CLICK HERE". It's so obvious people immediately > filter it out with no comment. Other behavior, though, is less black and > white and may only be apparent to those who have "followed the thread" so to > speak. > > Getting a post that says "HELP ME URGENT HELP HELP HELP" is routine on this > list from first timers, and that's clearly not "bad behavior" even though > long timers don't particularly appreciate it. > > Therefore, not everyone knows "not to reply" to folks that don't follow the > guidelines. So, what you see is somebody posts, somebody new replies, and > some other person says "don't reply to that guy", and then the thread > explodes. > > In the end, it simply comes down to everyone doing their best to follow the > guidelines as they know them and learn them. It's not like this is a unique > list, these issues happen on all lists. List behavior is a "netiquette" best > learned through participation and example rather than reading guidelines or > FAQs. It should be obvious from a dozen posts how folks should and shouldn't > behave. > > This is anarchy at its finest and we simply need to be good citizens, > practice good citizenship, and learn when its good to deal with a problem > head on, or simply go around it. It can be difficult, trust me I know. (And, > actually, I apologize for prior instances. It was really inappropriate.) > > Door crashes open, son runs in, "Dad! Dad! There's a raving lunatic down the > street!" "Really? Is he armed?" "No, I don't think so." "Ok, then don't > stare too long and don't forget to do your homework. Dinner's at 6!" > > Welcome to the asylum... > > Regards, > > Will Hartung > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
