EL is integral to the jsp2 spec. Not jstl. EL is based off of jstl.

From a quick glance at the spec, I see in Section 4:

"References to JSTL are informational - this library is not required by the JSP 2.0 specification."

If you search for JSTL in the spec, its seems clear that if you want JSTL: you still need the classes and taglib declarations. The difference with JSP2 is you can now do this syntax without needing JSTL:

Hello ${someVariable} (woohoo, no c:out needed!)

I think you can also do this now too .. <mytag myattr="${elExpression}"/>

But to do a loop (c:foreach) - you still need JSTL. You'll even see the taglib declarations for the JSTL core taglib in the examples in the spec.

-Tim

Raible, Matt wrote:
It's my understanding that JSTL is an integral part of any JSP 2.0-compliant
container.  To me, this means that I shouldn't have to include
jstl.jar/standard.jar in my app's WEB-INF/lib folder.  I would also assume
that I don't need to declare the JSTL tags as a directive:

<%@ taglib uri="http://java.sun.com/jstl/core"; prefix="c" %>
<%@ taglib uri="http://java.sun.com/jstl/fmt"; prefix="fmt" %>

However, this doesn't seem to be the case with JSP 2.0 in the jsp-examples
that ship with Tomcat 5.0.4:

1.  WEB-INF/lib contains jstl.jar and standard.jar
2.  If I don't have a taglib declaration, <c:if> is not interpreted in a JSP
in this project.

Please fill me on on what I need to do for a JSP 2.0-compliant app.  Do I
need to include jstl.jar and standard.jar in WEB-INF/lib?  Do I need to
declare the taglibs when using <fmt> and <c:...>?

Thanks,

Matt

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