Re: [desktop-discuss] Re: [tools-discuss] Proposing /usr/gnu, 3

Fri, 05 May 2006 02:44:19 -0700

John,

When you say:

"I'm a bit concerned that "blessed as a GNU project" is an odd match to the desired features of /usr/gnu/."

I know what you mean. My goal in the orginal post was to have all the various OSS tools present on Solaris in a way that makes it very easy to build OSS software out of the box.

The /usr/bin/gnu proposal helps to bring all the GNU tools onto Solaris in a consistent namespace that ensures that prefixing your path with /usr/bin/gnu will allow the appropriate unmodified GNU tool to be picked up for building OSS. So that helps a lot, however if there are other non GNU OSS tools required that are not already in /usr/bin then what do you do?
Hope they are already in /usr/bin/sfw, have no name conflict with what's in /usr/bin and so can be moved into /usr/bin providing they have the appropriate level of stability. If this is not the case then you have a problem. But as they say, Rome wasn't built in a day.

I'm hoping the combination of Bart's proposal on "Serendipitous discovery" and Stephen's "/usr/gnu/bin" proposal will go a long way to solving the difficulties of building OSS on Solaris. If other OSS tools are still missing, that would conflict with what's in /usr/bin then we'll need to look again and see if other hierarchies need to be introduced, hopefully this will not be the case.

JR


John Levon wrote: 
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 10:00:55AM -0700, Stephen Hahn wrote:

  
For 2), which has happened before, what would we do?
      
  Decide, based on the stability of the component, whether to evict it
  rapidly or not.  Has this really happened for a name-conflicting
  component, or merely across the entire set of OSS software?
    

I don't believe it has yet happened for a name-conflicting component. Given
that there is precedent for this happening generally, and we'll be stuck with
/usr/gnu/ forever, I think we need some kind of plan here.

  
I'm a bit concerned that "blessed as a GNU project" is an odd match to the
desired features of /usr/gnu/.
      
  It sounds like you're proposing different desired features (which is
    

I was basing my comment on "desired features" upon the comments during the
original thread started by John Rice which sparked this proposal:
as:

"The problem is really down to the various build tools or lack of them on
Solaris that OSS just expects to be there on a Unix box if it is to be able to
build with out lots of hair loss on the part of the user."

If that's not actually the primary reason for this proposal, then my apologies.

regards,
john
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