On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 01:59:51AM -0400, Ryan Lane wrote:
> 
> Of course, as I mentioned before, there's nothing forcing this new
> model at all. If you guys want to build the exact same Toolserver
> environment as a Labs project, go for it. I have a good feeling you'll
> start doing things differently when you see the affordances given by
> having more rights, though. Either path chosen, we'll help you with
> infrastructure issues along the way.
> 
> - Ryan
> 
Hi Ryan,

This statement has been made before, but then you put all responsibility
with the community, while the foundation can benefit as well. What people
want and has appeared usefull, is a *supported* environment like toolserver
where people can just get an account, run bots to support a wiki, experiment
with simple tools, if needed work and support a tool together. This can
then be a breeding bed for tools, and if needed brought a stage up, be
documented and pacakged, so it can be rolled out as a wmf supported tool.

That the toolserver environment is supported is imho an essential. While
volunteer admins can certainly help and do a lot of work, including helping
non-unix persons to startup, if there are really problems with the
environment, it better guaranties there is somebody available to acct.

Regards,

Andre Koopal

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