Anyone who makes available his sdr without delay, just helps cheaters. We all know some of them who use a sdr receiver to make qsos. Maybe there is no need anymore to learn the calls. Just stop this. A delay of 1min for example is perfect to enjoy all the goods of an sdr receiver without helping cheaters. I don't know if software allows it but i don't think it is difficult. 73 Kostas sv1dpi
----- Original Message ----- From: "Thorvaldur Stefansson" <[email protected]> To: "Brendan Minish" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Topband: Web SDR's and 'Cheating' > hello Brendan, > > Perhaps this thread is too old, but I only now came across it, sorry if > the > subject has been beaten to death already. > > As you may know I have served my Perseus SDR receiver over the internet > for > almost a year - it never occurred to me that people would use it for > cheating purposes. I found the experiment interesting for a variety of > technical issues - it also pleased me to allow remote users to experience > what Zero Noise level sounds like. Obviously the issues are the same > whether a SDR or a regular remote receiver is used for cheating. > > http://microtelecom.it/map/PerseusServers.html shows a map of remote > Perseus receivers. > > However, reading your post on the topband reflector got me thinking that > the > scenario was familiar....: > > I am hearing a station in the Caribbean on 160m with strong signals and I > start calling him thinking he will be an easy QSO.... I call him > constantly > for about two hours without luck. > > In the beginning I do not have any propagation to EU, but he is working EU > with a fairly good rate. > > When his signals have almost disappeared (RST 339) at my location and > propagation has changed from TF to EU away from the Caribbean (!), he > finally hears me and we had a QSO. > > This is cheating on so many levels I don´t know where to begin... > > the DX station is listening to a receiver located in EU - and because the > DX > has a good transmit antenna on an island surrounded by Salt Water he has a > relatively good signal in EU - but the DX suffers from high tropical > noise > making it difficult for him to hear the weaker signals. > > With the remote receiver, he can now clearly hear even the poorest signal > from EU - stations with poor antennas are now able to "work" the DX > station > even though their setups should not be able to work any DX contacts at > all - > on the cluster the DX is spotted "good ears" "hears well" "worked with 5 > watts and window antenna" and so on.... > > At the same time, one of the most powerful stations on the planet is > unable > to get through since I did not have propagation to EU! > > > All the effort of building a superb station, trying to make use of elusive > short propagation openings, all of this is flushed down the toilet....and > I > am hearing that contesters have been doing this for years ! > > So this is the reason that the 599+40 station can´t hear me! not even a ? > sometimes. > > And here I was naive enough to think there was a rational explanation - > this might be because the stations were using directive antennas and were > listening in another direction - certainly plausible, I myself have long > Beverage antennas which will have this effect....I have even heard this > explained as "one way propagation".... > > I well remember my QSO with KH2L on Top Band a few years ago that was > ruined > by HB9... who was obviously using a remote receiver to help him hear the > DX > - the HB9 kept calling completely out of sync about 30 seconds off sync > right on top of my transmissions during the QSO, he managed to ruin my QSO > completely and it took me a whole year before I heard and worked KH2L > again.....I remember there was a russian station who was also calling in > sync with the HB9 - both obviously with a similar internet delay. > > I have decided not to make my Perseus receiver available over the internet > anymore because of these issues. > > Not naming the cheater only serves to create suspicion on other DX > stations > and ruins the sense of accomplishment in making long haul DX contacts. > > Any contacts made in this manner are not valid for any award purposes - > after all they are simply contacts over the Internet - only by naming the > cheaters can we put a stop to these practices - at the very least we > should > not tolerate this behavior on 160 Meters. > > 73 Thor, TF4M > > > > > > > Hello all > > I have a Software Defined Receiver (SDR) that I make available when I am > not using it for others to use. it's an SDR-14 and is usually connected > to one of my beverages via a multi-coupler so it hears and performs well > Software wise , anyone using sdrradio can connect to it. > the latency is alos very low with sdrradio. > > I am happy to make this available to others because in turn I enjoy > using internet connected SDR's provided by others > > last night however I took a listen to what the connected user was > listening to, It turns out that the connected user was a DX station > utilising my SDR to work 160m SSB. He had a pileup of EU stations and > was utilising my SDR to better hear his pileup. > Surely this is 'not on' After all the EU stations may have been able to > hear him (although I could not copy him better than about 21 here) > But he was using a receiver within Europe to hear the EU stations calling. > > What is the ethical position on this, it sure seems wrong to me > > > > -- > 73 > Brendan EI6IZ > _______________________________________________ > UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK > _______________________________________________ UR RST IS ... ... ..9 QSB QSB - hw? BK
