I would add however (having experience here) that an incremental improvement to 
a poor antenna can show significant results when you have a low baseline. 

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On Sep 24, 2012, at 11:33, "Tom W8JI" <[email protected]> wrote:

>> FWIW, I have not heard or seen K2AV making unreasonable "claims" of 
>> performance.
> 
> Neither have I, nor have I ever inferred he did.
> 
> My point, which was addressed to Steve, was pretty basic stuff. I don't 
> understand how it gets changed so much.
> 
> My point was, when we change **everything** in a system, including where the 
> main vertical element is located in a very cluttered environment, and 
> especially when we have a station that historically has reported over many 
> years having a problem getting any vertical to work as well as a horizontal 
> antenna, it is a very large leap to single out a ground system change as 
> making a few days of operating performance feel good.
> 
> There isn't any reason to extrapolate things so simple and basic into 
> something no one said.
> 
> I think it is appropriate and necessary to mention the following general 
> facts:
> 
> 1.) When multiple things are changed in a randomly cluttered environment, it 
> is impossible to single out a single factor
> 
> 2.) When a system or location has a history of being sensitive to antenna 
> styles, it is probably not the most reliable performance evaluation site
> 
> 3.) A few days or weeks of contacts don't mean much on any band, let alone 
> 160. We all probably know this  :-)
> 
> No one should be offended by anyone's efforts to keep technical discussions 
> grounded in reality, and it certainly should not be changed to something that 
> was never said or implied.
> 
> 73 Tom 
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