well said Guy,you hit a home run with the bases loaded! thank you 73 Jim W3TO
> On January 15, 2018 at 7:28 PM Guy Olinger K2AV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > With apologies to Tree, who has asked that this subject be dropped... > > The question of the effect of a remote receiver or receivers has > already been dealt with by some contest organizers needing clarity and > consistency using current actual technical possibilities while > retaining the flavor and character of a contest. Probably the best > (IMHO) adjustment on remotes is that from Tree and Lew and the > inimitable BARC in the Stew Perry TBDC. > > The first part of their answer simply says remote RX *and* TX is fine, > and is treated like a very long electronic line from key and headset > to the station wherever it is. Grid square and possible required > xxn/callsign signing are from the remote location, which is the point > of record for scoring, standing, awards, etc. > > The second part is that using a local TX the receiver(s) may be > *entirely* co-located with the TX, or the RX facility may be > *entirely* sited at a single location 75 km or less from the TX > location. Using this provision, listening on the TX antenna is not > permitted during the contest. Although the rule uses the word > "receiver" in the singular, in their mind it does not preclude use of > a remote diversity RX, eg, K3 equipped with phase-locked diversity > subRX. > > Please remember that "cheating" with respect to ARRL DXCC has to do > with *ARRL* rules for same. Arguably some DXCC rules are so lax as to > be meaningless, but they are the ARRL's rules. It has nothing to do > with our being irritated or angered by someone who using modern > technical extensions claims the same status as ourselves when we have > gotten those numbers the HARD way, digging out countries through the > urban noise never heard up on those mountain or off-continent remotes. > > In the end someone whose status self-image depends on what others do > is inevitably doomed to anger. There will always, always be a cheat > among us somewhere. If we must compare, compare ourselves only to the > most noble examples. Or better yet BE that most noble example, knowing > God knows even if no one else does, and sleep well at night. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > > > On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Steve Daniel <[email protected]> wrote: > > John, is the use of a remote receiver not allowed for DXCC? I don’t believe > > it is prohibited. I ask because your use of the word “cheating” suggests > > that it is. Is that what you are saying? Steve Daniel NN4T > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jan 15, 2018, at 12:31 PM, John Randall via Topband > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Although I have never chased awards, I too am shocked at how easy it has > >> become for those so inclined to cheat the system, but not only the system > >> ,but themselves as well. Ofcourse not everyone will cheat but perhaps what > >> we should be discussing is how to detect those who do cheat. Perhaps a DIY > >> written document on how to to do this and what to look out for. This would > >> be of tremendous help for the new comers to the hobby and also us old > >> fogeys who have been around for a long time.Technology is a blessing and > >> also a curse. Perhaps one way to try and get back some control is force > >> all websdr's to enforce a full amateur call sign to its subscribers and > >> then to make the dbases available for scrutinity sothat the logs can be > >> compared to say the DXCC mechanisms. This is just a thought and worth > >> chewing over or other methods used. > >> Talking of which, has anyone noticed that the imfamous amaeteur in Spain > >> has been absent on the bands incl topband. > >> > >> 73John - M0ELS > >> _________________ > >> Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > > > > _________________ > > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband > _________________ > Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband _________________ Topband Reflector Archives - http://www.contesting.com/_topband
