george, i believe that those stations who have key clicks are truly not aware of their problems. a private email to the offending station may cure the problem. i really cant conceive that someone would do this on purpose, especially on top band. larry n7dd
-----Original Message----- From: GEORGE WALLNER <[email protected]> To: Tim Shoppa <[email protected]> Cc: Jon Zaimes via Topband <[email protected]>; Jon Zaimes <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2020 2:30 am Subject: Re: Topband: ARRL 160M and 1830-1835 change Tim, You are right. In theory the window could work. But the problem is that those (non-DX) who violate the rules suffer no consequences. Therefore, those with the cheek gain an advantage. But,.. A much (much) bigger problem is stations with strong clicks. I believe that some may be intentional. If you have strong clicks you will have fewer stations near "your" frequency. The result is a quieter frequency and a higher QSO rate! (While the rest of us get squeezed even more.) In any case, clicks, whether intentional or just the result of either negligence or a poorly set up station, should not give the source station an advantage! 73, George, C6AGU On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 21:42:02 -0400 Tim Shoppa <[email protected]> wrote: > George, in ARRL 160 the DX would *only* be looking for W/VE if CQing during > the contest. So the DX Window concept has some value (if anyone ever > respected it which they didn’t). > > This is a fundamental difference from CQ160 where DX can work DX for points. > > Arguably DX-only-works-W/VE makes ARRL 160 less popular with some segments of > DX hams. It’s certainly a fundamental part of the ARRL 160 DNA. >> On Oct 22, 2020, at 9:31 PM, GEORGE WALLNER <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> If 1,830 - 1,835 is reserved for "intercontinental contacts", who will >> should CQ? The DX? He is not a DX on his own continent. These "DX windows" >> are not practical. >> >> 73, >> >> George >> >> C6AGU/AA7JV >> >> >> On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 14:43:52 +0000 (UTC) >> >> Jon Zaimes via Topband <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Interesting Tim. >> >> November QST came in a few days ago, and the summary of rules in there says >> "1.830-1.835 MHz should be used for intercontinental contacts only." >> >> Dropping that rule was long overdue so glad to see it stated in the rules >> online. >> >> 73/Jon AA1K >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Tim Shoppa <[email protected]> >> >> To: topBand List <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Thu, Oct 22, 2020 9:35 am >> >> Subject: Topband: ARRL 160M and 1830-1835 change >> >> >> Also as I review this years ARRL 160M rules... >> >> >> An earlier version of the rules (current in 2012) here >> >> http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Contest%20Rules%20PDFs/2012/2012-160M-Rules-V2.pdf >> >> says "6.1 The segment 1.830 to 1.835 should be used for intercontinental >> >> QSOs only". >> >> >> The latest version here >> >> https://contests.arrl.org/ContestRules/160M-Rules.pdf notes that "6. the >> >> 1830-135 kHz window is no longer reserved for W/VE-to-DX QSOs in this >> >> contest". >> >> >> Does anyone recall, when the rule was officially changed? It wasn't being >> >> well respected in some previous years if it was in effect. >> >> >> Tim N3QE >> >> _________________ >> >> Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector >> >> _________________ >> >> Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector >> >> _________________ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector _________________ Searchable Archives: http://www.contesting.com/_topband - Topband Reflector
