Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2026 13:17:15 +0000 (UTC)
From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: Bob Abernethy <[email protected]>,  <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Topband: 5kW amps

>I always figured there is a pecking order on pile ups. ?The big power
stations should get in and >out ?quick. Then the next layer and so forth.
?You either hang in and wait your turn in that >pecking order or you
improve ?your station. ?Most of my DX over the years was made with a >very
modest station. ?3 element tribsnder? on a mast above my chimney and an
SB220 amp and >many sleepless nights waiting my turn in the pecking order. ?

Now try the same stunt,  but on 160m, from a city lot, using the typ lousy,
compromised ant's used by most folks on city lots.

I don't operate  CW hardly anymore....on any band.  I don't operate data
modes on any band either.... at least not yet.

In all due respect to  K9YC,  if I can't operate ragchew SSB   on 160m, I
throw in the towel.
As reported earlier on, the noise levels on the lower bands have increased
dramatically over the last 30-40 years.   Then you wonder why folks design
and build bigger amps...esp for the lower bands.  A surplus 4x5 tube,  NIB,
is still cheaper than a new $2900.00 Eimac (throwaway) 8877.    You want to
run 1.5 kw using FT-8,  for hrs and hrs on end, all night, every night,
 with any tube amp, well good luck with that.   Most are not up to the task.

re: data modes, 6M  EME is another doozy.   The  data mode they used  was
aprx 1 min on, and 1 min off.    It was recently upgraded with two new 6M
EME data formats.  One of em is still one minute on and one minute off.
 The 2nd new format is 2 minutes on and two minutes off.

The issue with the data modes used (15 seconds on/off, 1 minute on/off, or
2 minutes on/off) is that they all have a 50% duty cycle.   Problem is, the
'on' time is too long for many amplifiers, and the off time is not long
enough to cool anything down.

Even on  SS amps, they become..'heat soaked', and the off period does
essentially nothing.

Jim  VE7RF
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