On 4/7/2015 0:40, Nikolaos Beredimas wrote:
Thanks Holger.
If I undestand you correctly, the bottom line is that it doesn't make sense to develop/model, as a standard, any behavior that cannot stand alongside basic inferencing.
I think I agree with that.

I will have to read up on the Shapes WG and SHACL and possibly ask further questions there, but if you can what are the similiarities and or differencies between the Shapes WG and the discussions at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-shapes/

That mailing list was the public discussion forum of the group prior to its official forming. The WG itself, and a link to its (busy) mailing list, can be found at

https://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/Main_Page

Holger




Τη Σάββατο, 4 Απριλίου 2015 - 6:42:45 π.μ. UTC+3, ο χρήστης Holger Knublauch έγραψε:

    Hi Nikolaos,

    this is certainly an interesting question, yet I don't see how to
    solve this. As soon as inferencing is activated, and you have a
    class hierarchy such as

    rdfs:Resource
        ex:RootClass   rule1
            ex:ChildClass   rule2 overrides rule1

    and ex:Instance a ex:ChildClass, then an inference engine would
    add ex:Instance a ex:RootClass, and things become really messy to
    check. I believe rules and constraints should only ever narrow
    down the semantics.

    It would help me to see a real-world example of such scenarios.
    Maybe there are work-arounds using multiple inheritance/multiple
    rdf:types.

    BTW this is an interesting discussion in regards to the ongoing
    W3C Shapes Working Group, that quite possibly creates something
    close to a "SPIN 2.0", called SHACL [1]. In that spec, take a look
    at the proposed sh:scope attribute that would allow you to place
    pre-conditions in front of constraints.

    Thanks
    Holger

    [1] https://w3c.github.io/data-shapes/shacl/
    <https://w3c.github.io/data-shapes/shacl/>



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