> On 24 Jun 2021, at 07:21, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Holger > > I see the issue. > > So reformulated my question is: > > Is shacl import also automated now (like eg rdf)? > (It seems not, since deleting the import also deletes the shacl tab) > > If not, should be it be? (consistently, since it is also a basic language > vocab) > Or not, because it is not that essential like rdf(s) etc. ie not breaking > code etc.) > > But generalizing I see you point that ‘being essential’ depends in the end on > what you want to do with it….(forms etc.) > (and explicit import only works if the stuff imported is perfect…) > > All in all, I think, shacl getting more and more important, it would be best > to automatically load it. > (in other words: TBBC being by default a RDF/RDFS/OWL/SHACL-tool).
Hi Michel, If users want SHACL then in TBC use File, New, SHACL Shapes file and there’s a checkbox to decide initial imports of dash or pure SHACL. If users want RDFS/OWL then use File, New, RDF File. TBC users have control. Cheers, David > > For now, I’ll keep the sh imports explicitly in….. > > Gr michel > > > Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms > Scientist Specialist > Structural Reliability > T +31 (0)88 866 31 07 > M +31 (0)63 038 12 20 > E [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Location <http://www.tno.nl/locations/DTS> > > > <image001.gif> <http://www.tno.nl/> > This message may contain information that is not intended for you. If you are > not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by mistake, you are > requested to inform the sender and delete the message. TNO accepts no > liability for the content of this e-mail, for the manner in which you use it > and for damage of any kind resulting from the risks inherent to the > electronic transmission of messages. > > Van: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Namens Holger Knublauch > Verzonden: donderdag 24 juni 2021 00:58 > Aan: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Onderwerp: Re: [topbraid-users] sh import? > > > > On 2021-06-24 7:04 am, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users wrote: > My view…sh would fit well in that list of languages (xsd, rdf, rdfs, owl, …) > that are handled without explicit import… > What does it even mean to be "handled". In all TopBraid tools, there is a > hidden automated import of system triples including XSD, RDF etc. Without > that, no forms and other algorithms would work. Algorithms wouldn't even know > that owl:Class rdfs:subClassOf rdfs:Class. The design of OWL in this respect > is a failure, and I believe they don't want people to import the metamodel > because it broke some OWL DL algorithms with the introduction of metaclasses. > Having to implement some special hidden graph is ugly. > > Holger > > > > > ??? > > Counterargument? > > > Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms > Scientist Specialist > Structural Reliability > T +31 (0)88 866 31 07 > M +31 (0)63 038 12 20 > E [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Location <http://www.tno.nl/locations/DTS> > > > <image001.gif> <http://www.tno.nl/> > This message may contain information that is not intended for you. If you are > not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by mistake, you are > requested to inform the sender and delete the message. TNO accepts no > liability for the content of this e-mail, for the manner in which you use it > and for damage of any kind resulting from the risks inherent to the > electronic transmission of messages. > > Van: 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users > <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> > Verzonden: woensdag 23 juni 2021 22:59 > Aan: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Onderwerp: RE: [topbraid-users] sh import? > > More like: > > Is sh in the league of xsd/rdf/rdfs/owl (not imported) > > Or in the league of others being imported explicitly > > > Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Bohms > Scientist Specialist > Structural Reliability > T +31 (0)88 866 31 07 > M +31 (0)63 038 12 20 > E [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Location <http://www.tno.nl/locations/DTS> > > > <image001.gif> <http://www.tno.nl/> > This message may contain information that is not intended for you. If you are > not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by mistake, you are > requested to inform the sender and delete the message. TNO accepts no > liability for the content of this e-mail, for the manner in which you use it > and for damage of any kind resulting from the risks inherent to the > electronic transmission of messages. > > Van: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Namens Holger Knublauch > Verzonden: woensdag 23 juni 2021 22:03 > Aan: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Onderwerp: Re: [topbraid-users] sh import? > > > > On 23/06/2021 8:37 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users wrote: > Is it needed to explicitly import sh? > For what application? > > In general, owl:imports are a good thing. They make the semantics of the used > resources more explicit and transparent. If we skip them here, where would > this end: use skos:Concept without importing SKOS Core? Makes no sense to me. > > Holger > > > > > Or is it like rdfs, rdfs, owl, xsd etc. > > (I used to import dash but given that issue…etc.) > > > Dr. ir. H.M. 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