Yes absolutely, that was the same problem that I was talking about. Data entry of relationship instances is not as easy as it should.
Holger > On 30 Jan 2024, at 6:39 pm, 'Branson, GaBriella C' via TopBraid Suite Users > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don’t mind the process for creating reifiable properties in the ontology or > for my business user entering the data – I like that part. > > I was meaning that the UI for a business user - when entering instance data > for a new relationship - is slightly cumbersome. Take for example entering a > data value rule in the glossary. If the data value rule does not already > exist, a user has to use the plus sign to add it. In the new pop-up they only > get the Label and ID fields initially (unless other properties required). > After creating the shell of the data value rule I have to save the glossary > term and then click back into the data value rule to enter any supporting > data. It feels like extra steps when if it is a reifiable value I simply have > to click on the little plus sign next to the relationship value and begin > adding the additional data. Does that make sense? > > GaBriella > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of David Price > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 6:54 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [topbraid-users] Reifiable by > > On creating reifications … > > Perhaps a UI function added to the Modify button for a property to “Add > reification properties” a bit like “Declare inverse property” would be a > start? > It could create the node shape pointing to the property and then users just > add whatever properties they want to reifiy to the shape. > > I guess could alternatively prompt user for a property name and a datatype > and create the first refied property in the same interaction. They additional > properties could be added to that same shape. > > Cheers, > David > > > On 30 Jan 2024, at 06:23, Holger Knublauch <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Hi GaBriella, > > on the UI perspective, I could not agree more. Using intermediate objects is > indeed not well supported right now. > > For example, > > ex:Person1 > ex:memberOf [ > a ex:Membership ; > ex:organization ex:Organization1 ; > ex:startDate "2005-04-12"^^xsd:date ; > ex:endDate "2009-11-08"^^xsd:date ; > ] . > > currently requires creating that Membership instance, then going into it to > fill in the dates. > > And querying often requires using path expressions such as > > ?person ex:memberOf/ex:organization ?org . > > The situation is complicated as there are variations of this, e.g. > > ex:Person1Membership1 > a ex:Membership ; > ex:member ex:Person1 ; > ex:organization ex:Organization1 ; > ex:startDate "2005-04-12"^^xsd:date ; > ex:endDate "2009-11-08"^^xsd:date . > > I have some initial thoughts about better supporting editing blank nodes, but > none of that is fully fleshed out yet. > > For these relationships, maybe a start would be to introduce some kind of > dash namespace extensions to > annotate the "intermediate" objects, so that a UI can pick up a suitable > widget such as a tabular viewer and editor. > > I wonder if anyone has input or similar requirements. > > Is my assumption right that in many of these relationships, there is at most > a handful of properties (such as startDate > and endDate), allowing tabular input and rendering? > > Holger > > > > On 29 Jan 2024, at 11:20 pm, 'Branson, GaBriella C' via TopBraid Suite Users > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > Thank you. I will consider creating relationship objects instead. From a UI > perspective (for the use case I was trying to solve for) I feel it is more > straightforward to enter reifiable data over creating a new relationship > object à saving the form à and then clicking into the new object to add the > associated data. > > Thanks again. I always appreciate learning best practices and recommendations > to improve my modeling. > > GaBriella Branson > Interagency Wildland Fire - Knowledge Manager > <image001.png> > > From: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Holger Knublauch > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2024 12:39 PM > To: 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [topbraid-users] Reifiable by > > > > This email has been received from outside of DOI - Use caution before > clicking on links, opening attachments, or responding. > > > > Yes, only one level is supported. > > The general alternative to using reification is to introduce relationship > objects, lifting the reification info into the main ontology. Some people > argue that reification should not be used when it is really the > representation of a relationship. Instead, it should only be used for cases > like provenance of triples and other true metadata. > > Holger > > > > > > On 29 Jan 2024, at 8:24 pm, 'GaBriella Branson' via TopBraid Suite Users > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > > Hello, > > Is there a limit to how "deep" reifiable statements can go? > > I have a class with a property that has a node shape it is reifiable by. > Within the node shape I would like to add another layer making one of my > properties reifiable by yet another node shape. It does not appear that the > shape within the shape is working. > > First "layer" on the class: (this one works) > <performed by.JPG> > And this is the layer (a node shape on a node shape) that is not working: > <performed by shape.JPG> > > Thanks in advance for any clarification you may have to explain what I should > be expecting. > > -- > The topics of this mailing list include TopBraid EDG and related technologies > such as SHACL. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TopBraid Suite Users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/topbraid-users/fba32925-ed8a-4ca6-a10b-a45f8dd25ddcn%40googlegroups.com > > 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