On 10/06/14 22:42, Virgil Griffith wrote: > General remarks: > * I agree 100% with your Dec 2013 post. > * All data I seek to make available in "Torati" is available from > Onionoo. > > The proposal is to interface to Torati is like ATLAS but keyed by Tor > nickname. > * However, where Atlas intends primarily to be a reference, Torati aims > to be social reputation > incentivization for operators. So you'd want Torati to be seen by > search engines using the user's > nickname, e.g., > -- https://torati.torproject.org/TORTverLover > * A given nickname's contributions would be the sum across the relays > with that nickname. > > Which in for "TORTverLover" would sum the stats across: > * > https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/F2D3093388925780441433897F497797C5062B0B > * > https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/A8541EA02D2BBE97086BC7EF44A67E8FDA0C75A9
I like the idea of having a combined page for all relays run by a single person or organization. I'm less convinced that requiring all relays to use the same nickname for this to work is a good idea. Consider the three relays run by Nos Oignons: marcuse1, marcuse2, ekumen [0]. They wouldn't want to rename their relays only to have a common page on your new service. Also, the concept of naming authorities is about to be phased out [1], so better not build new services that rely on nicknames. [0] https://nos-oignons.net/Services/index.en.html [1] https://gitweb.torproject.org/torspec.git/blob/HEAD:/proposals/235-kill-named-flag.txt As an alternative, how about accepting a relay fingerprint and showing combined statistics for all relays in the same relay family? (A positive side-effect would be that people have an incentive to configure relay family settings, which the guy running the two TORTverLover relays did not.) The URL would be: https://yourservice/F2D3093388925780441433897F497797C5062B0B Of course, you could allow people to register at your service and pick a better name for their family of relays. You'd simply keep a name-to-fingerprint mapping and use the fingerprint to query Onionoo. And assuming the TORTverLover is the first to register that name, the URL could indeed be: https://yourservice/TORTverLover So, it seems you can already build this with Onionoo's current interface. But if you're missing something, please open a ticket! > To answer your questions: > >> (The last link is a 404.) > > Try: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3308162/Iajya%202013.pdf > But the most important papers are the first two I linked. > > >> Why not make it entirely opt-in? We could include a subscription > link in Weather's welcome messages that relay operators receive when > their relay first receives the Stable flag. > > I greatly prefer opt-out over opt-in. Even if a Torati operator is in > fact reputation-hungry, I don't want > the opt-in mechanic to encourage him/her to be seen as reputation > hungry. Moreover, as ATLAS isn't > opt-in so I see no reason to deviate from that precedent as this is > really just a "reverse-lookup" version > of ATLAS. True. Maybe drop the idea of opt-out then. The data that relays publish about themselves are public, and relay operators should be aware of that [2]. [2] https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor.git/blob/HEAD:/src/config/torrc.sample.in#l123 >> Where does the name "Torati" originate from? > > The name "Torati" is a Tor-ified version of "digerati" or > "illuminati". It's meant to convey something > along the lines of "Tor Ninja". It's a positive term that one is > proud to call oneself. The name was > chosen as a component of the reputation social incentive. Okay. See Andrew's concerns about avoiding words having "Tor" in them. All the best, Karsten _______________________________________________ tor-dev mailing list [email protected] https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev
