> On 10 Aug 2015, at 04:57 , Roman Mamedov <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 06:39:45 +1200 > Carlin Bingham <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Try MX Toolbox's blacklist check[0], it searches over 90 blacklists and >> you'll find at the very least you're on one of the Tor-specific lists. >> >> >> [0] https://mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx > > Yeah on precisely one: > >> DAN TOR >> This DNS blacklist contains ALL tor nodes (both entry and exit nodes) - The >> tor nodelist is updated every hour automatically from the live tor network. >> There is no complaint procedure to have an IP address removed from this list >> as it will be automatically removed once the tor node ceases to run (with a >> maximum of 1 hour delay). More information about DAN TOR can be found at >> their website: https://www.dan.me.uk/dnsbl > > So not "several", and not a "this IP is a source of spam" list, that one is > not even a blacklist per se, and those using it as one are incompetent and > wrong. In fact I would also categorize the person "so helpfully running it" as > such, since there is no reason whatsoever to track non-exit relays in any kind > of a publicly offered "black"list, unless you just want to inflict harm onto > the relay operators and get them unfairly blocked from various services.
I just asked the operator of the "DAN TOR" blocklists to make it easier for people to use the exit-only blocklist, and link to the relevant Tor FAQs so they can make an informed decision. I'll let you know if he responds. > Begin forwarded message: > > From: teor <[email protected]> > Subject: Tor Blocklist Confusion > Date: 10 August 2015 13:42:26 AEST > To: [email protected] > > Hi Dan, > > It appears that a number of website operators are using the .tor.dan.me.uk > blocklist to block website access from the entire Tor network. It appears > that they are doing this by mistake, because they are confusing the > .tor.dan.me.uk and .torexit.dan.me.uk blocklists (or don't know which one to > choose). > > Could you make some changes to the blocklist page to avoid this happening in > future? > > [I have personally experienced the Apple Support Forums and various other > sites blocking non-exit relay IPs. Other Tor relay operators complain about > this regularly on the tor-relays mailing list. (One operator even questions > why the full Tor network blocklist exists in the first place.) > See the thread > https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2015-August/007595.html ] > > If you are willing, the following changes could make it easier for website > operators to choose the appropriate list: > > 1. Place the .torexit.dan.me.uk blocklist at the top of the page, above the > .tor.dan.me.uk blocklist. > 2. Explain that by blocking Tor exits, you will block normal people who use > Tor to protect their privacy https://www.torproject.org/about/torusers.html.en > 3. Provide a link to the Tor Project's FAQ about blocking Tor nodes at > https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq-abuse.html.en#Bans > > 4. Explain that using the .tor.dan.me.uk blocklist will block Tor nodes that > don't allow outbound connections (non-Exit nodes), and that there is > typically no reason to do this, and direct users to the .torexit.dan.me.uk > blocklist instead. (The current "think carefully" doesn't provide enough > information for people to make an informed decision, particularly if they > aren't familiar with Tor.) > 5. Link to the Tor Project FAQ on Exit Policies at > https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en#ExitPolicies > > (A more radical change could be to rename or remove the .tor.dan.me.uk > blocklist. This would help avoid confusion and misuse, but would break > current setups - so I can't imagine this being an option for you.) > > Thank you for considering my request > > Tim (teor) Tim Wilson-Brown (teor) teor2345 at gmail dot com pgp ABFED1AC https://gist.github.com/teor2345/d033b8ce0a99adbc89c5 teor at blah dot im OTR D5BE4EC2 255D7585 F3874930 DB130265 7C9EBBC7
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