Good morning tierce,

I suspect that the sites you're unable to access are using 
https://www.dan.me.uk/dnsbl or another blocklist provider that naively blocks 
middle relays and/or entry relays instead of/in addition to exit relays.  If 
you don't want to or can't pay for third-party hosting to move your middle 
relay outside your network, one solution would be to contact your ISP and move 
from your single IP address to a block of five IP addresses, with one IP 
address dedicated to your middle relay and the other IP addresses dedicated to 
your browsing and other traffic needs.

Make your day great,
Isaac Grover, President/vCIO
Aileron I.T. – “ Because #ProactiveIsBetter ”

O: 715-377-0440, F:715-690-1029, W: www.aileronit.com 



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From: [email protected]

Hello,

I'm located in Belgium.

I keep two small middle relays (no exit, not even guard)…

https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#details/89B4597169A9DBB171F0B4629C73C0FD55D767C7

https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#details/07E3A0DC6AD4A5F07D1AF942626EBBF6CC0C72C7

If I browse the web using a common browser using the basic services of the ISPs 
(no torbrowser, no tor network) and at least since may 2023, I've observed that 
some websites (banks, federal services,…) simply don't respond when I want to 
open their webpages.

If I use another IP from the same locations (using vpn, ssh proxy, whatever), 
those same websites simply respond and works without issue.

If I switch back to the local ISP IP, those are unreachable, and so on.

If I contact those ISPs or the banks IT services, for them there are no problem.

For me, it's clear that hosting simple middle relays puts my ISPs IPs to some 
black lists handled by who knows who.

If hosting basic middle relays is blocking common web services, it will be hard 
/ nearly impossible for me to encourage family, friends or customers to host a 
basic middle relays.

Maybe there is no need for more and more middle relays, I don't know.

Does someone encounter the same kind of annoyances ?

regards,
tierce

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