On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 07:29:39PM +0000, Matthew Finkel wrote: > The one thing I always think about when I hear about the comparison of > censorship circumvention vs. anonymity[0] is something I once heard (maybe > from Jake or Roger, I apologies for not having a citation),
Jake and I tried to emphasize the "censorship implies surveillance" meme in our 28c3 talk. > Assuming I recall the basis of the quote correctly, this is an extremely > important idea that must be understood when dealing with censorship. > Going back to the PirateBrowser, if they are stripping out all of the > fantastic work Mike has done to preserve a users Anonymity (and the > packaging Erinn has done) and they replace it with Portable Firefox, I > don't think it can reach the full potential of "No more censorship!" > that they proclaim. Right. I expect they're going to have a real challenge teaching their users about what they're getting and what they're not getting. I appreciate the experiment and want to see how it goes -- but that said, we should keep an eye out for sentences that start with "And since you're using Tor", since a downside for the Tor world could be that they start mis-educating other Tor users. As an aside, we already experience this mis-education in the context of for-profit VPN companies, where they compete to see who can write "100% guaranteed bulletproof encryption" in the blinkiest font on their websites, whereas Tor instead works to explain that some parts of the protocol provide encryption and others don't: https://svn.torproject.org/svn/projects/articles/circumvention-features.html#7 > However, I do think it is worth it to look at what > magic they use in Iran and North Korea. Is it more than using Tor and a > hidden service? I assume they just assume that Tor magically gets around all censorship, and haven't explored any further than that. Happy to be shown wrong. --Roger -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk