Presenting on Friday. Coming in Thursday. Mel and I had talked a couple months ago about setting up some kind of "welcome/intro" to foss event for fie folks and local foss community to meet and greet. Dunno if we want to shoot for something like that.
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Re: The POSSE trademark (David Nalley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:47:41 -0400 > From: Mel Chua <[email protected]> > Subject: [TOS] POSSE conversation - SIGCSE panel/workshop and > preparation for such > To: TOS <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Matt Jadud and I had a long conversation about next-steps for POSSE > yesterday - how to make it more raptor-proof (articulating better how > people other than Mel can make a POSSE happen) and looking at SIGCSE as > a date milestone to get (Northern Hemisphere) Summer 2011 POSSE > infrastructure in place. > > One result is that you'll see us writing drafts and looking for feedback > on a SIGCSE panel and workshop in the next few days - since, as Mihaela > pointed out on this list earlier, the deadline for both is September 10. > > More details are available in the meeting minutes (which are actually > pretty comprehensible and summative, imo). Even more details are > available in the full logs linked to from the meeting minutes. > > http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teachingopensource/2010-09-02/posse-prototyping.2010-09-02-18.58.html > > --Mel > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:05:26 -0400 > From: Matthew Jadud <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TOS] POSSE conversation - SIGCSE panel/workshop and > preparation for such > To: Mel Chua <[email protected]> > Cc: TOS <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 13:47, Mel Chua <[email protected]> wrote: >> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teachingopensource/2010-09-02/posse-prototyping.2010-09-02-18.58.html > > Ah. Thanks for the prompt, Mel... > > I'm going to be drafting a panel discussion proposal. At OSCON I had a > conversation with Heidi E. and Greg H. about exactly this subject. > > If you'd be interested in joining in such a panel, please have a look > at the intro for it (which is not yet written, but will be by the end > of the weekend) and indicate your interest in taking part here. If we > have a plethora of interest, then we'll release the raptors (with Mel > out of the way) and see which of you fight your way through to panel > membership. (I have no idea what we'll do if 30 people are interested > in taking part. We'll worry about that problem when it happens.) So, > this is a "heads up", and I'll follow-up here in a day or two after I > sketch out the first part of the proposal document (which will be > subject to community feedback/revision/etc.) > > http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/SIGCSE_2011/Panel_proposal > > Cheers, > Matt > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:06:06 -0400 > From: Mel Chua <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TOS] Anyone going to FIE? > To: TOS <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 07/16/2010 09:03 PM, Matthew M. Burke wrote: >> Mel Chua wrote: >>> I know a number of us are going to FIE >>> (http://fie-conference.org/fie2010/) this October, and thought it >>> might be a good chance to get together, possibly have a TOS dinner >>> meetup at some point. >> Since I'm on your panel, you probably already know that I'll be there :) >> >> As far as a TOS dinner, I'm local, so if it would make things easier for >> me to make some arrangements, let me know. >> >> Matt > > Picking up belatedly on this - yes, I think it'd be great to have an FIE > dinner, and I think it'd be a good use of our TOS budget to gather > then.. Let's try this... > > Matt, since you're local, what restaurant(s) would you recommend? > > If you'll be at FIE or know someone who will be and might be interested > in an informal TOS dinner, see > http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/FIE_2010#Dinner and mark the > days you can have dinner at http://whenisgood.net/tos-fie2010. (Results > are at http://whenisgood.net/tos-fie2010/results/ezpj8f.) > > RSVP by October 23rd, and we'll place a reservation on the 24th so we > have enough tablespace. (Matt, would you mind doing this and sending > people notes on how to get there? I can send you a final count on the 23rd.) > > Clif, Matt - I know you're interested in eatin', what nights are good > for you? :) > > --Mel > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 14:54:12 -0400 > From: "Sabin, Mihaela" <[email protected]> > Subject: [TOS] FW: POSSE conversation - SIGCSE panel/workshop and > preparation for such > To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Excellent initiative. Thank you, Matt. > > Mihaela > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew Jadud > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 2:05 PM > To: Mel Chua > Cc: TOS > Subject: Re: [TOS] POSSE conversation - SIGCSE panel/workshop and preparation > for such > > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 13:47, Mel Chua <[email protected]> wrote: >> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teachingopensource/2010-09-02/posse-prototyping.2010-09-02-18.58.html > > Ah. Thanks for the prompt, Mel... > > I'm going to be drafting a panel discussion proposal. At OSCON I had a > conversation with Heidi E. and Greg H. about exactly this subject. > > If you'd be interested in joining in such a panel, please have a look > at the intro for it (which is not yet written, but will be by the end > of the weekend) and indicate your interest in taking part here. If we > have a plethora of interest, then we'll release the raptors (with Mel > out of the way) and see which of you fight your way through to panel > membership. (I have no idea what we'll do if 30 people are interested > in taking part. We'll worry about that problem when it happens.) So, > this is a "heads up", and I'll follow-up here in a day or two after I > sketch out the first part of the proposal document (which will be > subject to community feedback/revision/etc.) > > http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/SIGCSE_2011/Panel_proposal > > Cheers, > Matt > _______________________________________________ > tos mailing list > [email protected] > http://teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:03:59 -0400 > From: Mel Chua <[email protected]> > Subject: [TOS] The POSSE trademark > To: TOS <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > This is an exploratory note and a heads-up - we've been thinking about > getting a trademark for "POSSE" (in the context of education/open > source) so that we'll be able to keep and protect that name (and the > little owl-logo) for the workshop TOS does, on behalf of the TOS community. > > Max and I asked Pam Chestek, Red Hat's awesome lawyer-ninja who's done > all the Fedora trademark stuff, how this would work, and we're moving > towards filing an application for the trademark in the USA and a few > other countries. > > We want to be transparent about this and hear comments and thoughts that > folks might have, so this is an initial heads-up for starter feedback in > case there's something we've missed or any questions anyone has about > the process and what it means. It shouldn't have an effect on what > anyone else is doing right now, it just means that if someone outside > TOS wants to call their workshop "POSSE," they have to ask us first. At > least that's my (non-lawyerly) understanding of it. > > --Mel > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 22:10:34 -0400 > From: Matthew Jadud <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TOS] The POSSE trademark > To: Mel Chua <[email protected]> > Cc: TOS <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 21:03, Mel Chua <[email protected]> wrote: >> We want to be transparent about this and hear comments and thoughts that > > I think, as a "brand' in the FLOSS/education space it makes sense to > move to protect POSSE, and I'm not sure what other entity would do so. > +1. > > Cheers, > Matt > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 22:18:14 -0400 > From: Gregory Hislop <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TOS] The POSSE trademark > To: Mel Chua <[email protected]>, TOS <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Mel, > > Sounds good to me. > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mel Chua > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 9:04 PM > To: TOS > Subject: [TOS] The POSSE trademark > > This is an exploratory note and a heads-up - we've been thinking about > getting a trademark for "POSSE" (in the context of education/open > source) so that we'll be able to keep and protect that name (and the > little owl-logo) for the workshop TOS does, on behalf of the TOS community. > > Max and I asked Pam Chestek, Red Hat's awesome lawyer-ninja who's done > all the Fedora trademark stuff, how this would work, and we're moving > towards filing an application for the trademark in the USA and a few > other countries. > > We want to be transparent about this and hear comments and thoughts that > folks might have, so this is an initial heads-up for starter feedback in > case there's something we've missed or any questions anyone has about > the process and what it means. It shouldn't have an effect on what > anyone else is doing right now, it just means that if someone outside > TOS wants to call their workshop "POSSE," they have to ask us first. At > least that's my (non-lawyerly) understanding of it. > > --Mel > _______________________________________________ > tos mailing list > [email protected] > http://teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 22:39:34 -0400 > From: David Nalley <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TOS] The POSSE trademark > To: Mel Chua <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Cc: TOS <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Mel Chua <[email protected]> wrote: >> This is an exploratory note and a heads-up - we've been thinking about >> getting a trademark for "POSSE" (in the context of education/open >> source) so that we'll be able to keep and protect that name (and the >> little owl-logo) for the workshop TOS does, on behalf of the TOS community. >> >> Max and I asked Pam Chestek, Red Hat's awesome lawyer-ninja who's done >> all the Fedora trademark stuff, how this would work, and we're moving >> towards filing an application for the trademark in the USA and a few >> other countries. >> >> We want to be transparent about this and hear comments and thoughts that >> folks might have, so this is an initial heads-up for starter feedback in >> case there's something we've missed or any questions anyone has about >> the process and what it means. It shouldn't have an effect on what >> anyone else is doing right now, it just means that if someone outside >> TOS wants to call their workshop "POSSE," they have to ask us first. At >> least that's my (non-lawyerly) understanding of it. >> >> --Mel > > (adding Pam to the recipients in case she isn't subbed to this list.) > > Hi Mel: > > I think it's an interesting idea. > > So here are my questions: > > What are the benefits for registering the trademark, and who benefits? > > Who will hold the trademark? > > Who will make decisions about trademark use? > > Trademarks, unlike copyright, have to be actively defended. Who > establishes the guidelines for use, decides when enforcement is > necessary, etc. > > It strikes me that while vibrant, TOS is a bit nascent when it comes > to governance structures (which is good, people care about getting > things done rather than titles or structure, because one has not been > needed) > > Would RHT legal be open to holding the mark in trust, in the event > that TOS grows and wants to expand to having a formal entity? > > In my conversations with Pam, it's my understanding she, and by > extension her delegates in the open source world have an interesting > tightrope to walk, as the people who are @RHT are effectively her > clients (and thus their communications are privileged in the legal > sense) and people outside that relationship (the non-RHT community > members) are not her clients. Does that impact how the TOS community > might work, particularly in the case of infringement? > > Down the road, does this create potential funding/trademark issues if > for example we have a group in EMEA who finds it advantageous to > incorporate as a non-profit to hold POSSEs in EMEA and they wish to > use the mark? > > I guess the larger issue for the TOS group at large - is this yet > another item that pushes it towards forming a legal entity? (which IMO > should be avoided till unavoidable, and then jumped in with both > feet.) > > All of that said, I don't particularly see a problem one way or > another with RHT holding the trademark, even without a trust. RHT has > certainly invested the most money, and a large chunk of man hours into > POSSE, and I doubt it would exist without their involvement. > > --David > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > tos mailing list > [email protected] > http://teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos > > > End of tos Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4 > ********************************** _______________________________________________ tos mailing list [email protected] http://teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos
