On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 14:08 -0500, Matthew Jadud wrote:
> More questions and discussion about the needs of the users (the
> faculty---who are they, who do we want to support?) and how best to
> meet those needs is a good idea. While I understand the spirit of
> Chris's point of view, I don't think it gets at the reality of the
> vast majority of POSSE participants to date, or the broader community
> of educators that we hope (need?) to engage. To that end, more
> user-centered discussion and questions to people like Mel (who has
> helped run just about every POSSE to date) would be a Very Good Thing.

Somehow I think my point of view has been conflated with the "pain and
suffering is necessary" perspective.

Just to be clear: I am entirely in favor of making life easier for
faculty, in particular: push-button pony making. I am not in favor of
creating push-button pony making facilities when they already exist in
open source communities, which is where we want our students to work.

As an example: GitHub provides fantastically well-administered git
repositories, on demand, with lots of gorgeous bells and whistles, for
free (unless you want a private/closed repo). It's where many, many open
source developers are already working. I don't think TOS.o can do much
better, and we shouldn't try, because we'd be taking people away from
the place where hardcore work is being done; first choice is to use
existing projects' repos, second choice is to create repos in the same
neighborhood as existing projects. But as I mentioned, I'm not aware of
a push-button planet maker, and since planets are valuable when teaching
open source, that's one of the things we should provide.

-Chris

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