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On Oct 3, 2011, at 8:01 AM, "tos-requ...@teachingopensource.org" <tos-requ...@teachingopensource.org> wrote: > Send tos mailing list submissions to > tos@teachingopensource.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tos-requ...@teachingopensource.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tos-ow...@teachingopensource.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tos digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Quick update on "make scholarly copyright suck less" > project (Don Davis) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 07:11:34 -0500 > From: Don Davis <donda...@reglue.org> > Cc: tos@teachingopensource.org > Subject: Re: [TOS] Quick update on "make scholarly copyright suck > less" project > Message-ID: <4e8854f6.9030...@reglue.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > This is very in keeping with the 9-29 Princeton Open Access Publishing > article: http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2011/09/29/28869/ > > > On 09/30/2011 10:36 AM, Mel Chua wrote: >> On 09/30/2011 11:21 AM, Don Davis wrote: >>> Having to assign copyright to someone else recently felt like a sort >>> awkward uncomfortable rite of passage in the academic world. >> >> But it *doesn't* have to be a rite of passage. I mean, yeah, the >> situation sucks and we *do* have to deal with it now, but just "putting >> up with it" or quietly avoiding the medium of peer-reviewed journals >> entirely won't make it change. I'd like to make things so that someday >> my own PhD students won't have to go through that at all. (It may be a >> very far-off someday. That's okay. We have time.) >> >>> What's a list of the better 'open' journals? >> >> So I've looked at this some, and sadly in our field the "good" journals >> and the OA journals overlap in... zero places, as best as I can tell. >> (Actually, I couldn't find any OA journals I would want to submit my >> scholarly work to, but my subfield is engineering education so others >> may have more pointers.) >> >>> The copyright agreements often seem very overwhelming. (I'm thinking of >>> ACM.) >> >> ACM is actually pretty standard. IEEE is worse, they'll ask for >> copyright assignment upon *submission* -- not even acceptance! One of >> the other major publishers in my field, ASEE, has even weirder and >> loopier and fuzzier copyright stuff... it *is* overwhelming. It also >> seems like we tend to deal with the overwhelmingness by signing the >> papers so we can move on with our lives/research instead of getting >> mired in legal stuff which isn't interesting to us. So major props for >> taking the time to look at this, Don -- and thank you. >> >>> "You're not giving ACM the copyright to the dataset -- just the paper >>> itself. Research hypotheses are, in general, second order ? that is, >>> they're not simple descriptions of the data (i.e., sample size, gender >>> distribution). On a public dataset, descriptions (first-order analyses) >>> are assumed to be public, as well." >> >>> It seems to me then (with my limited knowledge and limited copyright >>> finesse), that making the dataset public before submission may be a way >>> to guarantee(?) that you and others may continue to evaluate the data. >> >> I think so! Seb Benthall sent me a link to a blogpost from one of his >> colleagues from Berkeley on exactly this strategy, and then I think I >> lost the link (or at least can't find it now). Seb, do you remember what >> I'm talking about? >> >> --Mel > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > tos mailing list > tos@teachingopensource.org > http://lists.teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos > > > End of tos Digest, Vol 32, Issue 3 > ********************************** _______________________________________________ tos mailing list tos@teachingopensource.org http://lists.teachingopensource.org/mailman/listinfo/tos
