On 02/19/2016 12:11 PM, dmccunney wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Rob Landley <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Why does posix even bother having od if nobody seems to use it? > > I've used od, though not in some time. > >> (Why does posix still maintain its standard documents in SCCS? >> Seriously, sccs->rcs->cvs->svn->bk->git means it's _5_ generations >> behind...) > > And Gnu has CSSC (Compatibly Stupid Source Control) a GPL sccs > implementation whose intended use case is to let you move stuff *out* > of sccs and into something more modern. > > Eric S. Raymond has a tool called reposurgeon intended to automate > most of the conversion when migrating to a new DVCS. He wants to make > CVS go away. I should point him at POSIX as someone in need of his > services.
Eric and I have our own history, which includes me spending 4 months crashing on his couch in 2003 doing an "editing" pass on "The Art of Unix Programming" that expanded the book from 9 chapters to 20 (I'm credited in the Author's Acknowledgements as almost co-author) and ended in 2011 when he became a climate change denialist and I called him on it: https://twitter.com/landley/status/33188839711318017 (That was before he got indignant about girl cooties invading Linus Torvalds' precious bodily fluids, or whatever he's on about now. I find it all very sad and try not to look.) I'm aware of most of his projects from back before then. I was also quietly aware of his opinions on the book "The Bell Curve", and other things that gradually increased the conversational gaps to the point I wasn't willing to jump over them anymore to get an otherwise valuable differing perspective. (My family got a commodore 64 for christmas in 1982 and by new year's it lived in my room, he started as a professional vax admin the same year. He was an ex-math prodigy who burned out young and dropped out of college, I'm a engineering type doing something like plumbing... I think we got good work out of each other. Unfortunately for the relationship, I am _not_ a "libertarian anarchist" who believes that if John Galt takes his ball and goes home society will collapse without the magic special people and that'll show 'em, nor that eliminating government so we can revert to a feudal system based on corporate hegemony so CEOs can be kings and employees can be serfs would improve anything. I may not be capturing Eric's positions accurately there, but no longer care.) Rob P.S. http://www.catb.org/esr/halloween/halloween9.html I did most of, http://www.catb.org/~esr/hackerlore/sco-vs-ibm.html he did most of, http://catb.org/esr/writings/world-domination/world-domination-201.html was more evenly split with me mostly doing the first half and him doing a lot more of the second half. I noticed that last paper's thesis doing the appendices of Halloween IX and in particular wanted to expand the table in http://www.catb.org/esr/halloween/halloween9.html#itanium and work through the ramifications, but didn't have any idea what to _do_ about it and Eric did, so. Yes, I'm aware I missed a big curve, and blogged about it: http://landley.net/notes-2011.html#26-06-2011 and you'll notice that's more or less what got me to take a second look at Android. :) P.P.S. The _only_ reason I'm pondering conventional man page/troff support in toybox at all (post-1.0 if ever) is the pair programming sessions we spent debugging doclifter. I won't say I didn't learn a lot from Eric, but when I first met him he expressed concern that his ex-friend from 1980's science fiction conventions, Richard Stallman, had ossified into a loon (my words, not his, the actual conversation was more like 20 minutes), and he was afraid the same would happen to him as he got older. Me, I try not to be that sure I'm right about _anything_... _______________________________________________ Toybox mailing list [email protected] http://lists.landley.net/listinfo.cgi/toybox-landley.net
