i'd been deliberately _not_ sending you https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNU-Coreutils-9.5-Released for fear of winding you up :-)
On Sat, Apr 13, 2024 at 7:34 AM Rob Landley <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 4/12/24 13:24, enh via Toybox wrote: > > ~/aosp-main-with-phones$ find external/ -name NOTICE -type l -maxdepth 2 > > find: warning: you have specified the global option -maxdepth after > > the argument -name, but global options are not positional, i.e., > > -maxdepth affects tests specified before it as well as those specified > > after it. Please specify global options before other arguments. > > > > (it does do the right thing, but insists on whining first.) > > I've hit that too, and am big into Not Doing That. Thought I'd blogged about > it, > but it could have been irc, or twitter (which I deleted when twitler bought it > but have an archive I should probably post somewhere), or... probably too old > for mastodon? > > There's a reason I get so exasperated about each new gnu/nag I stub my toe on. > It's gone beyond isolated incident into "pattern of looking down on everyone > else and sneering". > > Unix has always been a silent protagonist, without which shell scripts are a > pain to do. If it doesn't work, they'll figure out why. Just behave > consistently > (according to SOME kind of understandable logic) and let them keep the pieces. > Sometimes there's a -v flag to activate printfs() stuck into the code, but > don't > express opinions when they didn't ASK. (Put them in the man page or --help if > it's that important.) > > This has ALWAYS been the unix way. There are ALWAYS corner cases, and > deterministic behavior is not difficult to debug. The gnu/FSF never got that. > Stallman only decamped to unix under protest, a refugee from the Jupiter > project's collapse orphaning ITS, and he never really understood it. > > RMS did not INVENT the idea of cloning unix with his big announcement in 1983. > Unix was a diverse community starting from the 1974 ACM article, let alone the > Berkeley Software Distribution in 1975. The first full from-scratch Unix clone > (writing their own kernel, compiler, and command line) was Coherent, which > shipped in 1980. Paul Allen copied subdirectories and file descriptors from > unix > into DOS 2.0 not long after. Minix started in 1983 and shipped in 1986, and > Linux is 100% a descendant of Minix (developed on minix, its first filesystem > was minix, the development discussion on comp.os.minix, he inherited 80% of > the > minix community because he took patches and Tanenbaum didn't...) There's a > famous tanenbaum-torvalds debate preserved for posterity, there is NOT a > stallman-torvalds debate because nobody cared what stallman had to say. > > Nor did he invent freeware, which was the universal norm before the Apple vs > Franklin decision in 1983 because you couldn't copyright binaries before Steve > Jobs got the appeals court to change the law. Byte and Compute magazines had > basic listings in the back of each issue for you to type in, decus and CP/M > northwest had software libraries, the commodore 64 came bundled with a disk of > Jim Butterfield's software but he didn't WORK for them: he founded the Toronto > Pet User's Group (TPUG) and published free software with source code. > > But Stallman mansplained at everyone else at the top of his lungs nonstop from > the moment he showed up, and there are all sorts of topics that can't NOT have > an "as opposed to what stallman's saying, the truth is" section today... > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeware > > Sigh, watching https://youtu.be/2gOGHdZDmEk and https://youtu.be/WWfsz5R6irs > and > https://youtu.be/9RO5ZAmzjvI every time the narration talks about Pierre > Spray I > get Stallman vibes. There's a broadcast version of Dunning-Kruger where you > plausibly preach to an audience who doesn't know better, and become The Expert > that everybody must get a quote from every time something happens in that > area, > while the people actually doing the work facepalm at every third word. > > Rob _______________________________________________ Toybox mailing list [email protected] http://lists.landley.net/listinfo.cgi/toybox-landley.net
