On Tue, Sep 2, 2025 at 5:39 PM Rob Landley <r...@landley.net> wrote: > > On 8/27/25 03:00, Jesse Rosenstock wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 7:58 PM Rob Landley <r...@landley.net> wrote: > >> I initially didn't use this because: > >> > >> $ ps -o PSR $$ > >> error: unknown user-defined format specifier "PSR" > > > > It looks like case-insensitive output formats might be a toybox thing. > > macOS and procps-ng don't support it. > > I did a patch in this area (commit b8186ba3c4d9) a couple weeks back, > but didn't follow up switching over the test in part because no target > has "taskset" without having /proc. > > But mostly because I find it increasingly hard to get enthused about > poking at toybox recently. > > Last week Android announced it was eliminating sideloading: > https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/1n0h5cp/google_is_removing_the_ability_to_sideload/
not for the specific case you talk about below: https://groups.google.com/g/android-ndk/c/4h_SAr0Cr68/m/yA178D9PDwAJ and before you say it... https://groups.google.com/g/android-ndk/c/4h_SAr0Cr68/m/mPbvwVGSDwAJ > Shortly before that AOSP stopped publishing device trees for new > hardware: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-not-killing-aosp-3566882/ > > Before that Android installed spyware on my phone (which hasn't had a > security update since 2022 but it got the spyware, installed without > asking or even notifying me, on an otherwise long out of support phone) > which as far as I can tell does nothing but see if I have local nudes > and upload all my crypto keys to google: > https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/what-are-android-safetycore-and-key-verifier/53171/ > > Those are specifically things _android_ is doing. It was easier to go > "the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing" for > https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/ through > https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yk5nj7p7ko but not when it's > SPECIFIC to Android. > > Nor when it closely mirrors stuff they're doing in adjacent contexts, > ala https://www.youtube.com/live/CE0EB5bXj14 and yes I am still a > nudist, which is NORMAL in less prudish countries like > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0NINJOuaf4 and > https://whereandwander.com/sukayu-konyaku-mixed-gender-bathing-onsen/ > where the fallout from the british empire hasn't ENTIRELY shoved puritan > victorian prudery down everyone's throats. (Currently, via the payment > processors.) > > I made excuses: the 12k layoffs in 2023 could easily have been because > interest rates went up from the zero lower bound and thus silicon > valley's balance sheets suddenly had large interest payments just to > break even (rather than being able to borrow to make payroll each month > at rates less than inflation, meaning the principal amount you owed went > down each year in real terms even if you never paid back a dime and let > all the interest compound). Or it could have been an obvious attempt to > break unions so the next time > https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/19/google-employees-implore-leaders-to-stop-working-with-us-bcp-ice.html > happened they could quietly profit without fear of walkouts. > > There are at least FOUR things that annoy me about Youtube using "AI" to > decide that my nearly 12 year old account isn't an adult unless I > provide government ID (even though if I was six when I made that account > I'd be 18 now): https://mstdn.jp/@landley/115108331241194928 > > 1) The site's already been so heavily censored I've referred to it as > "prudetube" for years: https://mstdn.jp/@landley/109649922700077367 > > 2) The censorship acts in uk/france/autralias aren't law here yet but > instead of pushback their preemptive compliance is locking the USA down > anyway. I've been personally highly concerned about this topic for YEARS > ala https://landley.net/notes-2022.html#23-01-2022 and Google is on the > WRONG SIDE of the issue, presumably because they want all the > information and all the control. > > 3) The "dox yourself" thing is a theme here, the elimination of > sideloading comes after an earlier lockdown of the play store: > https://landley.net/notes-2024.html#05-05-2024 but there's a zillion > other LITTLE things like moving maps.google.com to google.com/maps so > you can't give just the one site location access, now ALL google > services have location access because they took away the ability to > distinguish. > > 4) Google is just BAD at AI, but forces it on everybody. "Confidently > wrong" is what I expect from Google's AI summaries every day, here's > from this morning: https://mstdn.jp/@landley/115135240180510957 > > I worked with a company earlier this year to help migrate them off of > Google Cloud to a self-hosted NextCloud because they could no longer > prevent the proprietary data they had (both their own and received under > NDA) from being fed into AI training. They had to set up their own rack > hosting for hardware and get a "google takeout" of their data then > figure out how to convert it to nextcloud then submit a GPDR data > deletion request through a european partners (whose data was NDA'd) to > get the data actually removed from Google. (Presumably still ongoing, I > was helping with the server parts not the lawyer parts...) > > I _think_ I've disabled the similarly forced "gemini" install on my > phone ala > https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/how-to-disable-gemini-on-android/53771/ > but when I showed my sister where "android system safety core" was on > her phone it was there but wouldn't let her uninstall it, so I don't > think I'll be getting a new stock android phone _ever_. (It's in the > "facebook/windows" bucket.) If grapheneos isn't usable on a cheap > motorola when this one finally dies (or refuses to continue to play > netflix and such), I may actually get an iphone since that's not _less_ > of a walled garden and not _less_ bad for privacy. Or a flip phone and a > wifi tablet. > > My old goal of an 8 year old girl in rural india inheriting her mother's > old phone and scraping up a solar panel and USB hub/peripherals to teach > herself programming? Now she couldn't sideload her own apps onto her own > phone without getting government ID and paying Google for permission. > This is no longer a platform CAPABLE of addressing > http://lists.landley.net/pipermail/toybox-landley.net/2020-July/011898.html > it is instead another obstacle to overcome. > > And when other companies pull > https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1n4740y/ltt_switch_2_usb_c_compatibility_nintendos_greed/ > I no longer expect Google to be on the right side of any given issue, > rather than joining in to make it worse. The employee walkouts of yore > pushing back were before the multiple rounds of mass layoffs, I dunno if > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxGHQgmWYLk was 25k _more_ or bringing > the total up (it was on my watch later list before the youtube account > went away, but I never actually watched it) but it doesn't seem to > matter. Google's management treats its employees the same way it treats > regulators, it's hard NOT to read the end of sideloading as a direct > response to > https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1meuqnt/epic_just_won_its_google_lawsuit_again_and/ > doubling down. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil > > Anyway, toybox was never about Google: I'm 90% of the way to another > release (all the mkroot targets I had working last release build under > 6.16 again), I owe the QNX guys a fix, it's silly to let a toybox issue > remain broken just because microsoft or facebook reported it... I should > get back on the horse. > > But this hobby hasn't exactly been "fun" in a while. > > Rob > _______________________________________________ > Toybox mailing list > Toybox@lists.landley.net > http://lists.landley.net/listinfo.cgi/toybox-landley.net _______________________________________________ Toybox mailing list Toybox@lists.landley.net http://lists.landley.net/listinfo.cgi/toybox-landley.net
