Hi Todd and all Trac users I am also involved in not one, but many, organisations that would benefit from the use of Trac (and Subversion). The "problem" with these tools is the lack of a "sales organisation" making efforts in marketing them towards presumptive customers/organisations. Trac stands by itself, laying there to be discovered by committed users like us. It's quite hard work to first understand *how* to use the tools effectively (that's an art I think, the core team at Edgewall.org are great artists and source of inspiration), it's then even harder to gain insights to the level that one can recommend the usage of these tools to industrial organisations, who demands high-level services from their suppliers. But since these tools do not have any supplier, you are facing a tremendous challenge... Therefore, I would be very interested in your findings, I think many here would. I don't want to see a debate either, that's not interesting, but official business case examples would be of great help as references, to put strengths to the arguments that Trac is a very serious and capable tool. I meet alot of senior management, decision making, people, and it is (currently) quite hard to explain to them how it can be that an open source, freeware, project control tool can be worth investing in. Even if the tool is free, assistance is needed in training and mentoring, which costs money. The decision to use these tools to handle critical business/project information, and become dependent on their existance and evolvement, is a very hard decision. From a career point of view, a manager can never be accused of making a bad decision if he/she decides to go with a high-cost tool provided by a well-known supplier having armies of sales personnel, training and support staffs etc. The decision to choose Trac (and Subversion) can scare away the slightest career-aware manager operating in a large organisation... (I'm exaggerating just to make a point, I've seen the opposite too.) If it's possible to collect arguments for using Trac, and references, without bashing other alternatives, I would be very happy to read about that here! Best regards Mikael Relbe
_____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Worden Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2010 12:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Trac] Proposal for Trac Hi group, I am writing a proposal for an large organization I am contracting with primarily as a SharePoint developer. This organization is substantially weighted in proprietary technologies centered around Microsoft. While I enjoy development with M$ tools, it is my experience and professional opinion Trac + Subversion + CCnet can't be beat. Along with other philosophical views, I proposing the adoption of these technologies over an opposing proposal for Team Foundation Server. I've read through blog comparisons between the two, and would prefer this post not evolve into a debate. Rather, I am looking for guidance in the form of verbiage, business advocacy, and argumentative leverage in support of Track, et. Al. Also, I have started a rough draft proposal supporting my case and would like to post it, only if this group feels this place is an appropriate forum for my request. Of course I will sanitize it to preclude any possibility for ethics breach, but I think I'm a far cry away from the likelyhood of that. Awaiting you're feedback. Gratefully, ISZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Trac Users" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Trac Users" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en.
