Ben,

Oh, I misunderstanding little bit...
To confirm my understanding, can I summary precertificate in rfc6962-bis 
below?

* Precertificate and issued certificate has the same serial number.
 => In this context, "serial number of precertificate" means the serial 
number of tbscertificate in precertificate.

* Old problem(RFC6962) is "There are two X.509 certificates with the same 
serial number".
Now on rfc6962-bis, there are still two certificates with the same serial 
number. But one is encoded using X.509(to use for services), and another is 
encoded using CMS(precertificate).

* We don't regard precertificate as 'Certificate', because it is just a 
Cryptographic Message (based on RFC5652).

Thanks,


On Monday, March 28, 2016 at 3:18:50 AM UTC+9, Ben Laurie wrote:
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> On 27 March 2016 at 08:32, Yusuke OSUMI <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
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>> Eran,
>>
>> Thanks, I get the picture!
>> I also think "precertificate and issued certificate have the same serial 
>> number" is weird and strange, so this change is welcome.
>>
>
> Note that the precertificate still has the same serial number as the 
> certificate. Its just that it is not a certificate anymore.
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>> 2016年3月27日日曜日 6時58分01秒 UTC+9 Eran Messeri:
>>>
>>> [+trans mailing list]
>>> The poison extension was removed because it is no longer necessary - the 
>>> purpose was to allow creating a pre-certificate in the form of an unusable 
>>> X.509 certificate (the poison extension is a critical extension that made 
>>> an otherwise valid X.509 certificate unusable).
>>>
>>> In 6962-bis the pre-certificate is encoded using Cryptographic Message 
>>> Syntax (CMS), not X.509 certificates, so the poison extension is no longer 
>>> needed.
>>>
>>> One reason for the precertificate format transition I recall is concerns 
>>> that issuing two X.509 certificates with the same serial number (even 
>>> though one of them is unusable) is against the CA/Browsers forum Baseline 
>>> Requirements. 
>>> The related discussions can be found in the trans mailing list: 
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trans
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Eran
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 5:49 AM, Yusuke OSUMI <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, 
>>>>
>>>> I read rfc6962-bis, and found that description of "Poison Extension 
>>>> (OID 1.3.6.1.4.1.11129.2.4.3)" has disappeared.
>>>> I want to view a discussion about this issue(and want to know the 
>>>> reason why it disappeard), so can I get URLs about the discussion?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Yusuke
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