We also keep the SSN, but decided that it would be best to use Tax ID
number for the physicians rather than SSN.  We thought they would be
more comfortable with that. Pam
Pamela K Lawson,RHIA
St John Medical Center
Information Security Coordinator
918-744-2316
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 4:01 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:      Re: 837 Institutional Loop 2310A - Attending Physician
> 
> Jan,
> 
> We have about 400 providers in our group. We store the SSN
> electronically on our physician master.
> 
> Betsy Clore
> Wake Forest University Physicians
> 
> Jan Root wrote:
> 
> > Question:  Are there any large health care facilities folks on
> this list serve?  If so, answer me this:  Do you currently
> collect/keep current the SSN/EIN of all your physicians that you
> bill for?
> >
> > I'm curious.  If you're a large health care facility (or even a
> medium one) could you reply to this email?  Thanks!
> >
> > Jan Root
> >
> > Kepa Zubeldia wrote:
> >
> > > Jonathan,
> > >
> > > The NM109 needs to have the attending physician TaxID/EIN or the
> SSN.
> > > Then the UPIN is sent in the REF segment as secondary
> identifier.
> > >
> > > <gap analysis>
> > > This means that you are going to have to collect the tax ID or
> SSN
> > > numbers for the attending physicians, not just the UPIN.
> > > </gap analysis>
> > >
> > > I hope this helps.
> > >
> > > Kepa
> > >
> > > Jonathan Fox wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a question...
> > > >
> > > > On page 323 of the 837 Institutional Guide, the only valid
> Identification Code Qualifiers are:
> > > >
> > > > 24 - Employer's Identification Number
> > > > 34 - Social Security Number
> > > > XX - NPI (when available)
> > > >
> > > > The note stated above the valid qualifiers indicates that
> Medicare assigns the UPIN to the provider for identification
> purposes and it looks like the intention is to use the UPIN with a
> 24 Qualifier and the UPIN number as the code.
> > > > Assuming that Employer Identification Number is equivalent to
> a provider's tax ID, it would seem that the UPIN number is not a
> compliant code to submit in NM109.   Is this compliant?
> > > > It would be easier for us to accept UPIN in this section as
> well if possible since tax ID is not always known, but we do not
> want to promote non-compliance with our providers.  How are other
> people handling this?
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan Fox
> > > > eCommerce Analyst
> > > > Independent Health
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