Yeah - this is the email I had that I was running with - but when I
explained this to Kay she said it isn't an intraplan transaction - which is
right in the "literal" meaning, but I think CMS was interpreting in general
and not literal like Kay was making it.  Maybe I am wrong but it seems like
the intent was for billing purposes and not reporting.  Oh well money talks!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karen Weber [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:52 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:      RE: MEDICAID ENCOUNTER REPORTING
> 
> 
> 
> To answer Doug's question:  Encounters are zero-pay transactions (because
> payment has already been made, in the form of capitation to the provider),
> which are sent from a provider to a health plan.
> 
> 
> 
> At 05:33 PM 1/11/2002 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>       In talking to CMS staff at the WEDI SNIP Summit in Orlando, the
>       interpretation that
>       I received was that the transaction would be considered an
> intra-plan
>       transaction and
>       that any format the parties argreed to would be acceptable.
> However, you
>       could certainly
>       agree to use the standard transaction.
>       
>       
>       
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>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: Cassavar, Doug [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
>       Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:06 PM
>       To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>       Subject: RE: MEDICAID ENCOUNTER REPORTING
>       
>       
>       Then why does the ruling use the word encounter data throughout the
>       document.
>       
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: Jan Root [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
>       Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 3:14 PM
>       To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>       Subject: Re: MEDICAID ENCOUNTER REPORTING
>       
>       
>       Just as another voice - one Medicaid that I am familiar with came up
> with
>       the
>       same interpretation: the transaction between the MCO and Medicaid is
> not a
>       HIPAA
>       covered transaction therefore they were not required to use the 837.
>       However,
>       all the various parties got together and decided to use it anyway.
> They all
>       had
>       to use it in the covered transaction sense with various other
> parties and it
>       met
>       their reporting needs so they all decided to simplify their lives
> and not
>       keep
>       supporting the old proprietary report.
>       
>       Jan Root
>       
>       
>       
>       "Weber, Karen (DHS-PSD)" wrote:
>       
>       > We interpret the rule like this:  Since the transaction that goes
> from the
>       > Medicaid Health Plans/MCOs to the State is NOT a claim (since a
> claim is
>       > defined as going from a provider to a health plan, and the MCOs
> aren't
>       > providers), it is NOT required by HIPAA that this transmission be
> done in
>       > the 837 format.  So we're just keeping our old sort-of-proprietary
>       reporting
>       > format.
>       >
>       >
>       > -----Original Message-----
>       > From: Dave Murray [ <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
>       > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:14 AM
>       > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>       > Subject: TCS: MEDICAID ENCOUNTER REPORTING
>       >
>       > Acting to some degree as a Medicaid Health Plan, our organization
> submits
>       > encounter files to our state Medicaid agency.  As of yet, we have
> not
>       > received clarification as to how we are to continue to report
> encounters
>       to
>       > them in the 837 format. There appear to be several particularly
>       troublesome
>       > fields such as plan payment amount, plan payment date, invoice
> number,
>       > subcapitation code, etc.  I'm wondering what other states have
> done.
>       > Anybody know where I can obtain Medicaid encounter reporting/837
> guides?
>       >
>       > Thank you.
>       >
>       > Dave Murray
>       >
>       >
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