Rachel:

I don't see how you arrive at the conclusion that PHI can be freely and
openly transported between the payer and payee banks through the ACH
network based on a snippet from SEC. 1179.  I don't think any bank along
the way should have any opportunity to poke its nose into PHI.

Actually, it seems some bankers would make an even stronger statement:
that banks should stay away from EOBs altogether unless BA agreements
are in place. See NACHA's "Impacts of HIPAA on the Banking Industry," by
Kevin Case, Ernst & Young and Steven Stone, PNC Bank, at
http://www.hipaabanking.org/ under "Education."  One salient slide asks
and answers this question:

"Should a Financial Institution receive PHI in the 820 and 835
transmissions?"

"No, the 820 and 835 transactions are split into two parts, an EFT part
and the electronic remittance advice for 835 and the premium data for
the 820 - Banks should only be receiving the EFT portion (unless a
business associate contract is in place). In other words, a CCD is not
covered under HIPAA while a CTX transaction probably is."

William J. Kammerer
Novannet, LLC.
Columbus, US-OH 43221-3859
+1 (614) 487-0320

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From: "Rachel Foerster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: The Role of Banks in EFT and ERA


Just another contribution to this discussion. While re-reviewing P.L.
104-191 I ran across the following:

P.L. 104-191, August 21, 1996 Subtitle F Administrative Simplification

''PROCESSING PAYMENT TRANSACTIONS BY FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS


''SEC. 1179. To the extent that an entity is engaged in activities of a
financial institution (as defined in section 1101 of the Right to
Financial Privacy Act of 1978), or is engaged in authorizing,
processing,clearing, settling, billing, transferring, reconciling, or
collecting payments, for a financial institution, this part, and any
standard adopted under this part, shall not apply to the entity with
respect to such activities, including the following:

''(1) The use or disclosure of information by the entity for
authorizing, processing, clearing, settling, billing, transferring,
reconciling or collecting, a payment for, or related to, health plan
premiums or health care, where such payment is made by any means,
including a credit, debit, or other payment card, an account, check, or
electronic funds transfer.

''(2) The request for, or the use or disclosure of, information by the
entity with respect to a payment described in paragraph (1)-
''(A) for transferring receivables;
''(B) for auditing;
''(C) in connection with-
''(i) a customer dispute; or
''(ii) an inquiry from, or to, a customer;

''(D) in a communication to a customer of the entity regarding the
customer' s transactions, payment card, account, check, or electronic
funds transfer;
''(E) for reporting to consumer reporting agencies; or
''(F) for complying with-
''(i) a civil or criminal subpoena; or
''(ii) a Federal or State law regulating the entity.''.

Therefore, until such time as the security rule is adopted in final
form, which may or may not contain a requirement for encrypting table 2
data in either the 820 or 835, I believe there is no requirement to
encrypt table 2 of either the 820 or 835 when it's included along with
table 1 and the entire transactions travels through the banking network.

Rachel Foerster
Principal
Rachel Foerster & Associates, Ltd.
Professionals in EDI & Electronic Commerce
39432 North Avenue
Beach Park, IL 60099
Phone: 847-872-8070
Fax: 847-872-6860
http://www.rfa-edi.com



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