David,
The real "trick" is to create finite test cases out of almost infinite test cases possible.
It would rather be too simplistic to assume that a single generic test bed of data will be good enough for every system.I guess a set of generic test beds of data will evolve. This is far better than purpose-less random test files.
Regards,
Ganesh Bhat
Transaction Group
Advent Software Ltd.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Frenkel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 03:53 AM
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Subject: RE: Testing for levels 3, 4, and 6
Mark,
Test data has been a difficult subject and even more difficult to
create. With all the different adjudications systems it is difficult to
create a solution that works for everybody. Are you suggesting a
generic test bed of data that should work for everybody?
Regards,
David Frenkel
Business Development
GEFEG USA
Global Leader in Ecommerce Tools
www.gefeg.com
425-260-5030
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Lott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:56 PM
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Subject: RE: Testing for levels 3, 4, and 6
David,
Thank you, I was on the testing calls and have reviewed the white paper.
It
does not address test data or test files in regards to quality assurance
based methodologies and practices. It is this topic that my note was
referring to....
Regards,
Mark A Lott
President
HIPAA Testing, Inc.
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-----Original Message-----
From: David Frenkel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:42 PM
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Mark,
There will be 'final draft' of the updated Wedi testing white paper
coming out tomorrow. You might take a look at it.
Regards,
David Frenkel
Business Development
GEFEG USA
Global Leader in Ecommerce Tools
www.gefeg.com
425-260-5030
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark A Lott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:24 PM
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Subject: RE: Testing for levels 3, 4, and 6
Greetings,
Thoughts for the group.....
I wanted to respond in more detail regarding what is among the largest
issues facing the industry in relation to testing initiatives, namely
1)covered entities trying to decompose IG's to configure test conditions
and
2)creating valid test data in EDI, instead of analyzing the problem from
a
true business perspective.
The paradigm: Giving organizations the ability to continue testing
applications with test data they are knowledgeable and proficient using
(i.e. - UB92, NSF,ERA, HCFA, etc.) as opposed to trying to create EDI
files
from scratch, and not fully comprehending the correlation between
proprietary
data and EDI data.
The scenario: A business stakeholder is asked for sign-off for HIPAA
transaction compliance of their application system. The test files and
test
conditions were created in a language (EDI) and a process they are
unfamiliar with and are unsure of what functionality was tested or not
tested. How can they give sign-off? Certainly not just by examining
reports
stating that files passed an EDI compliance tool or trust that their
translator must be working properly. How would they sign-off on any
other
system remediation project outside of HIPAA?
A case study: Business Analysts and Test Analysts would have an
easier and more intelligent test approach if they could create test
conditions in proprietary formats and as a benefit they would also know
the
applicable test condition and expected result of such a test case.
Thinking
in terms of creating and running data according to "testing levels" is
causing the need for additional staff, learning unfamiliar tools,
working
long hours, test case rework and unclear test conditions. This is
creating
an undue burden placed upon the business stakeholders and test teams to
create in "unfamiliar" terms, the massive amounts of test data to
validate
that translators,
applications systems and trading partners are in compliance. If you look
at
most any organization currently in the testing phase, you will find a
team
struggling to determine all the appropriate EDI test conditions and
subsequent
test data to prove systems are functioning properly and in compliance.
We believe it is time for a new testing paradigm, especially as it
relates
to proper test data.
One that will help covered entities to achieve true quality assurance
and
meet compliance
regulations much faster than current methods and one that takes into
consideration
well-established quality assurance methodologies and techniques to
determine
test cases, test data and EDI compliance validation criteria. We are in
process of building a
consortium of quality assurance firms, consulting organizations and
covered
entities that truly understand the benefit with this new approach. This
is
an open
invitation for quality assurance professionals and business stakeholders
that would
like to assist us in this new education initiative, EDI validation
through
rose-colored
QA glasses...
Mark A Lott
President
HIPAA Testing, Inc.
www.hipaatesting.com
Office: 480-946-7200
Cell: 480-580-4415
Fax: 877-825-8309
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