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I will be out of the office, on Thursday and  Friday, October 24 & 25.  If you need 
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Thank you.

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I will be out of the office, on Thursday and  Friday, October 24 & 25.  If you need 
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Thank you.

>>> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" 10/23/02 15:21 >>>

I think both ways are correct.
Page 13 in the IG does IMO not force you to elimiate the dependent loop, if
the dependent has a unique identifier.
In fact I think your client's way of doing it is more logical and consistent
with all the other transaction sets.
If the patient is the subscriber, identify him/her in the subscriber loop,
If it is a dependent, do it in the dependent loop.
It certainly makes writing a provider side system easier, if you don't have
to differentiate between dependents who can be completely identified without
the subscriber and those who need subscriber identification to link them to
the policy number.
And who tells me, that though the dependent has a unique number, the
subscriber info is not needed? It might come down to trading partner
agreements and therewith murky.
Martin Scholl
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-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Van Kleeck [mailto:nick.vankleeck@;healthtrio.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:36 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Subscriber Vs. Dependent Loop in 270-271, Part 2


I made the following statement in an earlier posting:

        The 270-271 IG is clear that if a patient can be uniquely identified
to an information source, that patient's information    should be passed at
the subscriber hierarchical level, "whether he or she is a child, spouse, or
the actual subscriber to        the plan" .  (pg 13).

We now have a client (an information source) who wants to use the subscriber
loop for the actual subscriber, and the dependent loop for dependents,
despite the fact that this client uses unique identifiers for each patient.
We can certainly write the code to handle this, but I'd like some feedback
the following questions:

1) Is my earlier statement (which is my own interpretation of the IG)
correct?

2) If so, is there any need/value in encouraging our client to adopt this
interpretation rather than their own?  The transaction set can handle doing
it their way, even if it's arguably incorrect.







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