On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 08:29:28 +0000, Andrew Church wrote:

>>hmm... further, is the Example 6 supposed to be the standard way to convert
>>between 4:3 & 16:9 videos?
> 
> It's one example of such a method.  There are many different possibilities.
> 
>>I tried to apply the mechanism to convert a 640x480 @ 4:3 video back to
>>720x DVD video, but get a 720x540 one instead of the original 720x576.
>>Why the difference? Here is how I calculate:
>>
>>The 640x480 @ 4:3 video has 60 pixels black border on top and bottom. So I
>>"use the -j option to change the size of the input video before the zoom
>>is performed. ", as in Example 4. That'll give me 640x360 @ 4:3. 
> 
> Actually, it gives you 640x360 @ 16:9.  -j and -Y change the frame size
> without changing the PAR, so the DAR must change.

Please forgive my dense, I still don't understand it. 

in Example 4, after clipping with -j, the 16:9 video is still considered
to be 16:9. I think that make sense, you can arbitrarily clip the video
into any weird shapes (even tall), but 16:9 still hold. I.e. whatever left,
will still play fine, without distortion. 

Now suppose this 640x480 @ 4:3 video is handed over to me by somebody else.
I don't know how he come up with it, whether it was from 16:9 source, or
4:3 or 1:1, as long as it plays fine in movie players, or on TV, It is
true 4:3. Otherwise, there will be distortion.

>>The output frame sizes would be
>>
>>  width = 720
>>  height = (PAR * width ) / DAR = ( 1/1 * 720) / (4/3) = 540
>>
>>If there is no distortion during the 2 DAR conversion, the result should
>>be exactly 720x576. What's wrong here?
> 
> Leaving aside the DAR issue, you're using the wrong PAR.  As I mentioned
> before (and as is also mentioned on the main "aspect ratio" page), DVDs
> do not use a PAR of 1:1.  

what PAR should I use then, suppose this 640x480 @ 4:3 video is handed
over to me by somebody else. and I don't know how he come up with it. but
it plays fine.

> In fact, since DVD players adjust their PAR to
> match the video's frame size and DAR, there is no need to perform these
> calculations at all; you just need to resize the video to the proper DVD
> frame size with -Z and use the proper --export_asr code, as in Example
> 2.

Again, I'm lost here. What is the condition that there is no need to
perform these calculations? any arbitrary video, eg 672x272 one?

sorry again for my dense, as I said, the more I looked into it, the more
convoluted it appears to me.

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