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-----Original Message-----
From: "Bruce Darby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:28 pm
Subject: [Treo] Re: Rumor: 700p first thoughts
Thanks for the feedback. It is very much appreciated.
Bruce
--- In [email protected], 'Wallach, Levi' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No, that's not accurate. GSM CANNOT do voice and data
simultaneously.
> However, I keep myself connected to data (email, IM, etc.) all the
time,
> and I can still receive phone calls. However, as soon as the phone
> starts ringing, data is unavailable until I hang up/ignore the
call.
> GSM uses the data protocols of 'GPRS' and 'EGPRS'(or 'Edge')
depending
> on what your local area/tower supports (they are still building
out the
> EDGE network in places). Plain old GPRS gets 56K at best, but
probably
> a good deal less in practice. EDGE is supposed to get somewhere
between
> 100kbsp and 200kbps, so it's a lot faster, but still not quite
> 'broadband' - it compares to the non-EVDO speeds on CDMA
networks. The
> future of GSM is HSDPA, which would compete with EVDO but I think
still
> doesn't have quite as high speeds as EVDO (although its still many
times
> faster than EDGE, so could be considered 'broadband'). Whether or
not
> it will allow for simultaneous voice and data I have no idea...
>
> Levi Wallach
> <http://twelveblackcodemonkeys.com> - Blog
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Bruce Darby
> > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:21 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [Treo] Re: Rumor: 700p first thoughts
> >
> > I have heard some comment that GSM providers are able to
> > provide voice and data communication simultaneously. Is this
> > a current capability that GSM has with the Treo 650 or is it
> > futureware? What type of data speeds can you get?
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >
> > > Levi Wallach
> > > <http://twelveblackcodemonkeys.com> - Blog
> > <http://dvdmon.com> - DVD
> > > Reviews <http://wallachexpressions.smugmug.com> - Photos
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf
> > > > Of Craig Froehle
> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 3:54 PM
> > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > Subject: Re: [Treo] Re: Rumor: 700p first thoughts
> > > >
> > > > On 5/13/06, Bruce Darby <brucedarby@> wrote:
> > > > > from Verizon if there was a good reason. If Cingular or T-
> > Mobile
> > > > > worked fine in my area and carried a 700p I would consider
> > > > changing.
> > > > > Any thoughts.
> > > >
> > > > The 700p is a CDMA phone, so it will only work with Verizon
and
> > > > Sprint, but NEITHER Cingular NOR T-Mobile. My suggestion
> > would be
> > > > to hold out until we know more about Palm's other phone
> > products --
> > > > my hunch is that there's something interesting in GSM
planned for
> > > > this summer.
> > > > - Craig
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh yes? What would that be, do tell! From what I've heard,
like
> > > Verizon has had its exclusive on the 700W, Sprint will have one
> > for many
> > > months on the 700P, which means GSM users may not be able to
get a
> > > 700-level Treo until a year after they were first introduced
(the
> > 700W
> > > with Verizon), something I find really annoying - since I have
a
> > GSM
> > > carrier (Tmobile) and don't want a CDMA phone. Sprint and
Verizon
> > must
> > > be paying Palm a boatload for these exclusive deals. Tmobile
> > seemst to
> > > have pretty bad limited choices of phones compared to other
> > carriers -
> > > actually they don't offer ANY Treos right now, and I don't
think
> > they've
> > > ever offered the 650, but since I bought the phone unlocked
> > directly
> > > from Palm, I could use it with Tmobile. Luckily the 650 is
> > holding its
> > > own, but if something happens in the next six months, I'm
afraid
> > my main
> > > choice will be just to go out and get another 650...
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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