tethering vs paying for PDAnet (if available) vs using WiFi. You can
buy the phone without Ev-DO, but at $15/mo it's better than WiFi in
most cases - on that I think we can agree. But using the phone as a
modem at 100-400kbps speeds vs using 10MBps Wifi on your laptop. Using
an included price Ev-DO Tethering/PDA Net (if available) versus paying
for faster Wifi (company reimbursed).
I still think the issue unaddressed by Ev-DO but ingrained with Wifi
is connection to private network. If you go to your company's office
without a laptop, you most likely cannot connect to internal servers
through Ev-DO. And that's part of what I would have liked as an option
on the 700p.
On 5/23/06, Roger B.A. Klorese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> TjL wrote:
> > If by "fair" you mean "ridiculously argumentative as usual, wrong on
> > the fact while ignoring the crux of the argument as I've done so
> > often before" then YES, Roger, I agree with your assessment.
> >
>
> Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.
>
> You seem to be assuming that I'm taking a side -- that free EV-DO exists
> or that EV-DO is uniformly superior to WiFi -- that I'm not. But that
> figures, from you.
>
> My sole point was that one should not assume from "free WiFi" that SF
> would be blanketed in full-commercial-speed WiFi, which is the way many
> people have been positioning that news.
>
> > To completely blow your absolutely untrue and indefensible claim "to
> > be fair" response out of the water, SF's free wireless would be 300
> > KBPS. You can verify this by checking out Google and about 59,000
> > hits that I get when I put
> >
> > free wifi "san francisco" kbps
> >
> > into the search engine. Or check out
> >
> > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/02/23/BUGESHCVK61.DTL&type=tech
> >
> > Are you seriously calling 300 KBPS "slow WiFi"?
> >
>
> Um, that's 300Kbps. Bits, not bytes. Capital B is bytes, lower-case b
> is bits.
>
>
> In comparison to the sentence that's right after the one you quote, of
> course I am:
>
> "The premium service will feature a download speed of 1 Mbps for about
> $20 a month."
>
>
> > Let's say it was 100 KBPS. How fast is the free EvDO in your city?
> > Oh, right: 0 KBPS.
> >
>
> Who said anything about my comparing to to EV-DO? I was doing no such
> thing. I was just pointing out that the "free WiFi" was slower than the
> speeds people are getting from paid hotspots.
>
> > into Google and you know what I found out? 200-400 KBPS is about what
> > you can expect from EvDO. So it's absolutely absurd to make any sort
> > of "Well the free WiFi will be slower" argument when talking about the
> > plans for San Franscisco.
> >
> > It doesn't hold water.
> >
> > You are wrong. Can you admit that?
> >
>
> No. I was right that SF's free WiFi would be slower than SF's paid
> WiFi That's the sole point I was making.
>
> > Going back to the crux of the argument is "Free WiFi is available in
> > many places. Free EvDO is available NOWHERE."
> >
>
> Still, the point remains that EV-DO is available nowhere for free,
> nearly everywhere for pay. And WiFi is available in several places
> free, as well as a small fraction of the places EV-DO is available for pay.
>
> As long as you want to make the comparison, then, be honest that the
> comparison is between a phone with voice, telco data (which can be EV-DO
> about as cheaply as GRPS in terms of building the phone) and no WiFi and
> a phone with voice, telco data, and WiFi.
>
> > Giving the Treo WiFi capabilities means that I can control whether I
> > spend money for Internet access (maybe I only need it some months, and
> > not others).
> And raises the cost of the phone for all those who have no need at all
> for it, of course.
>
> > It also gives me the ability to use the Internet for
> > free many places, such as my home and my office, the last hotel I went
> > to, my mom's house, my brother in law's house, my brother's house....
> >
>
>
> Well, that's very nice for you. And it covers about 1% of the places
> many of us need it.
>
> > Free WiFi: yes, some places, lots of places. Can pay for a day/month
> > if you find yourself needing it
> >
> > Free EvDO: no, nowhere and no speed. Monthly contract required. No
> > ability to open up your phone and say "Wow, I really need to jump
> > online. Sure I could pay $10 for internet access today, if I had
> > WiFi. I wish I had spent $30-50 a month every month so I could access
> > the web today."
> >
>
> A very valid argument, when the whole country is covered by free WiFi.
> But many of us spend little to no time at all in your home, your office,
> the last hotel you went to, your mother's house, your brother-in-law's
> house...
>
> > Lack of WiFi is bad for the consumer, and good for Sprint and Verizon.
> >
>
> You seem to be ignoring the fact that free WiFi benefits a small
> percentage of people. But as long as it helps *you*...
>
> It's not worth $50 to $100 extra in phone cost to me, which is what they
> would charge because it's what the market would expect.
>
> (Note that I've carried a PDA with WiFi in the past, with a paid WiFi
> plan. I found so little effective difference between it and my EDGE
> connection for email, simple browsing, etc. that I haven't noticed any
> need for WiFi.)
>
> You act as if it was a trade-off to put in EV-DO or WiFi and they made
> the wrong choice. But they need to put basic digital voice/data
> in, and it costs about the same to use an EV-DO capable chipset as to
> use a GPRS or EDGE one. It's a question of whether the *extra* hardware
> for WiFi is worth it. It is for you; it is not for me.
>
> WiFi is great for people who want to make casual use of networking -- no
> contract required -- and either want to use it in spaces they have
> control over (their home, office, etc.) or are willing to travel
> anywhere up to a mile or two, in fairly populated areas, to get on the
> air. (When you're visiting friends, do you ask for their network keys
> so you can check mail?) And hardware support for it requires additional
> chips, additional firmware, and additional real estate. EV-DO is useful
> for people who need to be able to get on the air nearly anywhere they
> go. AND SUPPORT FOR IT COMES ESSENTIALLY FOR FREE IN THE COST OF
> BUILDING THE PHONE.
>
> I wonder when Enfora will ship a sled for the Treo 700 family, so those
> who want WiFi can pay for the feature.
>
>
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