For lack of signal, any phone would use more battery.

 

Vishal Sheth

 

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don
Ferguson
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 7:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Treo] Treo 700p short antenna - addendum

 

Yep.

The relevant, and most interesting part is:

NOTE: Please note that with any mobile phone; if you are in an area with
no wireless coverage, your Treo searches for a signal, which consumes
power. If you cannot move to an area of better coverage, temporarily
turn off your phone. While your phone is off, you can continue to use
the non-wireless features of your Treo. 

What they don't say, but what I think applies here most strongly is that
in areas of marginal coverage, the Treo consumes more power by having to
"work harder" to hang onto the signal. Turning it off isn't an option
in the circumstances in which I most often find myself. When I'm up in
the mountains out of coverage area I do turn it off. The battery life
seems to be about 7x with the cellular radio turned off. Sorta reminds
me of the Pilot days. Well, only sort of. Remember having replaceable
batteries that lasted a month? Of course, with that came a monochrome
backlit screen, but why quibble?

Addendum: It seems that my experiment is proving my hypothesis. With
the longer antenna back in place I have not noticed the rapid battery
drain. I've only been in my stationary poor coverage area once since
then. I'll be testing that again next Tuesday!

Cheers,

Don

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:treo%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:treo%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf Of
Vishal Sheth
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 4:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:treo%40yahoogroups.com> com
Subject: RE: [Treo] Treo 700p short antenna - addendum
Importance: High

http://kb.palm.
<http://kb.palm.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE?New,Kb=EUPalmSupport,TS=PalmE>
com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE?New,Kb=EUPalmSupport,TS=PalmE
U_UK
<http://kb.palm.
<http://kb.palm.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE?New,Kb=EUPalmSupport,TS=Palm>
com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBCGI.EXE?New,Kb=EUPalmSupport,TS=Palm
EU_UK> 
,Case=Obj(8311)

There's one more link which I can't find. I'll send it when I find it.

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<mailto:treo%40yahoogroups.com>
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<mailto:treo%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of Steve
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Subject: RE: [Treo] Treo 700p short antenna - addendum

Well, I wasn't sure what to attribute it to, but since I got my 700p my
battery drain has been much more than my 650. I just got the short
antenna
on the 700 about a week ago.

Steve

From: Don Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:don%40ferguson.us> us] 
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 4:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:treo%40yahoogroups.com> com
Subject: RE: [Treo] Treo 700p short antenna - addendum

Hi Steve,

My assumption based on what I believe to be true about digital cell
phones (not an engineer), is that using the short antenna in marginal
service areas causes the Treo to up the power output used to try to
contact the cell towers. Since a digital phone only puts out a signal
when it's contacting the tower or actually being used to make a call,
warmness happens at that time. I infer that the warmth that I notice
(and you did too) when the phone is not in use is caused by its having
to up the power output to get/keep in touch with the tower.

Do also notice quicker battery drain? I suppose it could be a
coincidence and my Seidio 2400mAh battery could be just getting old,
although it's only 9 months old. 

Cheers,

Don

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<mailto:treo%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
Steve
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Subject: RE: [Treo] Treo 700p short antenna - addendum

I have the short antenna too. I have noticed that my 700p also gets warm
even though I am not using it and it is set not to access the broadband
access. Why is it getting warm?

From: Don Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:don%40ferguson.us> us
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Subject: [Treo] Treo 700p short antenna - addendum

Hi all,

I thought I'd add to the mix on the short antenna for the Treo 700p. I
think the consensus has been that there is little if any degradation in
signal associated with using the short antenna.

In my experience that's true, with one apparent caveat that's important
to me, even though it might not be important to others.

I live in the Denver metro area. In Denver proper, and in most of the
larger suburbs, Verizon's signal is quite good. Not great everywhere,
but one can make a call without much fear of having to say "What? What?
I can't hear you! I'll call you back!!"

However, the area is sufficiently large and the population sufficiently
spread out that there are many times when the signal is just barely good
enough. Here's where the difficulty comes in. I have now spent the
majority of a day twice with the short antenna in an area of marginal
coverage. It is an indoor location in which I've spent many days in the
past, and I never had a problem with the original antenna. I noticed on
each of these two recent occasions, however, that the battery plummeted
in power, going from 85% to 20% battery in a matter of 6 hours on one of
the trips. I didn't make any cell calls during this time, either. This
is very unusual. I use a Seidio 2400mAh battery which always gets me
though the day. During this time I noticed that the Treo seemed warm
all the time, too. What happened during these two days tells me that
the signal is just degraded enough that the Treo was constantly having
to reach for a signal, burning through the battery in short order.
During this second trip I actually turned off email sync and Bluetooth,
leaving only the cell connection, just to make sure something funny
wasn't happening with Exchange Activesync or with Bluetooth. The
results were instructive! The battery drain happened with no email, no
cell calls, no Bluetooth.

I'm actually sending this email from that same marginal signal location
right now, having put the originally antenna back on yesterday. I've
been here two hours and have made one 5-minute phone call and the
battery (with Bluetooth on and Versamail push enabled) has dropped 4%.
That's more like it!! I will probably experiment further, but this
seems pretty conclusive. For me, the short antenna doesn't work because
of the areas in which I find myself. If I were just in Denver all the
time, it'd probably be just fine!

I'll report back if I find more data points, but in summary I didn't
notice any call degradation, but in formerly-marginal areas the battery
lost about 10% per hour.

Cheers,

Don 

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