(1) I don't think it's 'big-biznesses' job to protect the net or the stupid.
(1a) However, their resources are being drained by spam; so...
(2) It wouldn't hurt my feelings too much _except_ that I think this effectively
blocks anonymous remailers.?Jeremy Portzer wrote:
I'm not sure why everyone is so concerned about this.
Road Runner has clearly stated their policy (they've been doing this for months, by the way, and the information is posted at http://security.rr.com/ ).
As the email says, the scanning is 'reactive' and is fully within their right. Since (1) I'm sure you're not running an open relay and won't be blocked anyway, and (2) they provide a clear opt-out option; why get so excited?
--Jeremy
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 16:44, lfwelty wrote:
Can anyone local comment?
Don't get yourself in trouble w/ ... Just interested in a local perspective.
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From: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FC: Email a RoadRunner address, get scanned by their security system Date: 14 Mar 2003 15:25:46 -0500
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:22:24 -0500 Subject: RoadRunner Automated Portscans From: Gunnar Hellekson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
After sending an email to a friend at a RoadRunner address, I see this in my web access log:
24.30.199.228 - - [13/Mar/2003:15:11:25 -0500] "CONNECT security.rr.com:25 HTTP/1.0" 404 535 "" ""
Basically, RoadRunner tried to spam themselves using my server. I mailed [EMAIL PROTECTED] about this, and received a canned response, enclosed. It's a humble response, but woefully inadequate. Have anti-spam measures come to this? This seems like an ill-considered compromise between privacy and anti-spam efforts. A blunt instrument that betrays less-than-careful thinking. The opt-out option, which was revealed only after my complaint, is even more obnoxious.
Under their logic, I feel entitled to poke and prod their customers, just to make sure they don't spam me. Is that fair? I promise to provide an opt-out if anyone complains.
I'm curious whether this preemptive measure is effective at all.
-Gunnar
From: "Road Runner Security \[DSR\]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri Mar 14, 2003 2:05:12 PM America/New_York Subject: Re: Port scans?
Hello,
The securityscan.sec.rr.com machine is a Road Runner Security resource that is used as a tool to assist us in determining if machines being used to send us mail may be abused from outside sources, allowing them to be used to spam our customers and role accounts. We fully understand your concerns surrounding the probing of your machine. This issue has been raised internally and we hope this email helps you better understand our process.
The intention of this process is truly not meant to be a "big brother" system, but we understand that some may view it as such. Our ultimate goal, however, is to protect our network, our customers, and our role accounts.
Road Runner has begin the REACTIVE testing of IP addresses which connect to its inbound SMTP gateways. If your machine connects to ours to send email, we reserve the absolute right to perform SMTP relay and open proxy server tests upon the connecting IP address to ensure that the machine at that IP address cannot be abused for malicious > purposes.
These scans are done once per week per IP, via an automated process, and only on those servers that have sent our subscriber base mail. The only way for these tests to occur is if an IP address connects to our inbound SMTP gateway. If found to be an open proxy or smtp relay, the IP address will be blocked at our mail gateway borders with one of the following error messages:
ERROR:5.7.1:550 Mail Refused - See http://security.rr.com/mail_blocks.htm#proxy
ERROR:5.7.1:550 Mail Refused - See http://security.rr.com/mail_blocks.htm#relay
We understand that some entities may not wish to be scanned as part of this automated process. If you do not wish to be tested by Road Runner, there are two ways to accomplish this:
1. Send an e-mail to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' with the IP address that you do not wish to be tested. Please note that if you are not the designated contact for your IP address range (for example, if you are on a cable modem, DSL, or dialup range), we will be unable to fulfill your request for addition or removal. 2. Do not connect to our inbound SMTP servers. Again, this test is only conducted on servers that connect to our servers.
If you have any further questions, you can visit http://security.rr.com or contact Road Runner Security via e-mail at '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Regards, Road Runner Security
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