Hey Jan,

On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 12:53:34PM +0200, Jan Kundrát wrote:
> On Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:03:09 CEST, George P. wrote:
>> Sure, I can. The main thing I failed to explain here is that I
>> fetch mail from my ISP POP3 server to my Linux box where I run an
>> IMAP server. When I'm on Windows, I use Trojitá to connect to my
>> Linux box and, when I'm on Linux, I use either Mutt or Trojitá.
>> 
>> The thing is that I want to keep everything (both messages I've
>> sent and messages I've received) on my ISP's POP3 server. That can
>> be seen like a poor man's backup + I can access my email through
>> Webmail, when I'm not home.
> 
> Thanks for explaining that. Since you already run a custom IMAP
> server, have you considered running a local submission server which
> speaks SMTP on your Linux box? That way you could add the BCC-ing on
> a single place. The actual submission could still take place
> *through* your ISP's servers.

That's a very nice and elegant solution that I could never have thought
of, thanks for mentioning it.

> I'm also wondering what kind of an ISP offers POP3, but doesn't
> offer IMAP. Do you have any problems with e.g. mail quotas on such a
> setup?

haha, a poor man's ISP, I guess!

>> Aside from my specific usage scenario, the practice of BCC'ing
>> one's self generally exists for other reasons too (bad reasons
>> maybe, I don't know).
> 
> These scenarios are usually implemented on the submission server,
> though -- at least if we're talking about the same circumstances
> (like a company-wide policy, etc.).

Seems reasonable.

>> Maybe in "pure" IMAP architectures/designs such a thing/need
>> becomes obsolete, and since Trojitá is an IMAP client, I can
>> understand that such a feature does not belong in the Trojitá
>> "core". Here's where a scripting/plugin system could come into
>> play.
> 
> A scripting system indeed sounds great, but I'm not sure we have
> enough volunteers to maintain it (you're the first and the only one
> so far).
> 
>> In case you're interested in incorporating the patch into the
>> Trojitá "core", I can (now) see how this bcc checkbox pollutes the
>> compose window. It sucks actually. In most cases, the user doesn't
>> need to see it. Maybe we could add an option in the SMTP options
>> tab that reads "Offer BCC self" (or something like that). Or maybe
>> we can leave the patch here, just in case, and do nothing more.
> 
> I think that the patch is rather specific to your use scenario.
> Unless other people object, I do not think that it is a good idea to
> include it. It's great that you say this yourself -- I do not like
> telling people to "go away" at all, and especially not when they
> went as far as making patches for themselves.

Yeah, I perfectly understand what you mean. If everything was accepted
then the project would loose its personality and, even worse, could
become bloated and unmaintainable; so, in a sense, I like that you
"rejected" my patch :-) I really like that trojita strives to do one
thing (be an IMAP client) and do it well; let's keep it that way!

Cheers,
George

> Cheers,
> Jan
> 
> -- 
> Trojitá, a fast Qt IMAP e-mail client -- http://trojita.flaska.net/
> 

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