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-- (2008) list Home page with access to Archives: http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom -- Previously sent: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 20:35:00 +0200- Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 20:32:29 +0100 Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:01:55 +0100 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 23:13:53 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:45:16 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 18:43:14 UTC Subject: TROM: Replay 23 Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:50:04 +0200 From: Antony Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: International Viewpoints To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄTROM-L Ä Msg : 218 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Andreas Mittermayr 236/174.10 Mon 28 Aug 95 09:15 To : Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mon 28 Aug 95 21:03 Subj : Re: Auditing and RI ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Apparently-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Andreas Mittermayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Auditing and RI Hi Scott, > > Concerning TROM, I too have had difficulty in running some of it. Actually, > running it is not a problem, but I'm not sure what to expect - nothing seems > to be happening. Same when running RI. I do what it says, but it seems kind of > silly after a while - and boring too. I had similar experiences with Harry > Palmer's Avatar. The first few episodes of "discreation" went fine. Masses > blew, and there was no question that something was happening. After that, > nothing would happen. I would do the procedures, but it was more like "Well, > I think maybe something happened" Sort of like going through the motions. > Maybe I expect too much? I would prefer some sort of tangible feedback. > Positive, preferably, but even throwing up, passing out, going mad :-), etc. > after a session would be some indication that something's happening. Scott > Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is exactly what I wanted to say with my email, but you explained better and more precisely :) > > >You wrote: > >>I don't know if TROM is the right thing for me. Level 2 and 3 > >>are so ... I can't really say... let me try to explain it the other way: > >>I think Level 4 and 5 would be ok for me because it has specific commands > >>( get the feeling of being not known for example). You are guided what to > >>do. But Level 2 and 3 are so general. I don't know what scenes to timebreak. > >>In one of your last mail to me you said on level 2/3 it is not so important > >>what scenes I take to timebreak. Well I can't really describe what the > >>problem is, but something keeps me away from making progress with TROM. >>>By > >>now I am also uncertain if I really get changes while RI. Perhaps I should > >>run a good amount of objective processing before starting with TROM again. > >>Perhaps an e-meter would help me to recognize the changes. I don't know. > >>Perhaps a co-auditing style would be better for me to start with, but there > >>is nobody interested in my area. --- GIGO+ sn 299 at jacome vsn 0.99.950303 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄTROM-L Ä Msg : 217 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : JHS 2:236/174.10 Sun 27 Aug 95 09:03 To : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon 28 Aug 95 07:19 Subj : TROM-L: Test #2 of 2 for Change of Mailing List ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ÄÄÄÄ Apparently-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: JHS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: TROM-L: Test #2 of 2 for Change of Mailing List Hello all, probably by next week the trom-l will be switched from netcom.com to newciv.org. Nothing changes except the site address. If you do NOT get this message via netcom AND newciv, pls e-mail me because your name might be missing in my list. Joachim *************************************************** ** Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD ** *************************************************** ** For info on the 'Logs of JD Flora' ** ** send a msg to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with BODY: ** ** info logs or: WWW:http://www.newciv.org/sfra3/** *************************************************** **JD Flora:Celestine Prophecy meets Indiana Jones** ** Synergetics - World Transformation - Parallel ** ** Worlds-General Semantics-Eastern Philosophies ** ** ...a unique SciFi E-mail Sequel... ** *************************************************** --- GIGO+ sn 299 at jacome vsn 0.99.950303 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄTROM-L Ä Msg : 219 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : ASC Missions Group 236/174.10 Mon 28 Aug 95 07:22 To : Trom List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue 29 Aug 95 07:13 Subj : Re: Auditing and RI ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Apparently-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: ASC Missions Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Auditing and RI On Fri, 25 Aug 1995, Scott wrote: > > Maybe I expect too much? I would prefer some sort of tangible feedback. > Positive, preferably, but even throwing up, passing out, going mad :-), etc. > after a session would be some indication that something's happening. Yes, it's a matter of your expectations, I think. Scn leads us to believe that there will be an earth-altering cognition at least every few session. But that can be as much a hidden standard as anything. Here's a different view... In Acceptance, the mind is not seen as composed of chains of pictures. There is no "basic", and there is no silver bullet. Instead, the mind is seen as a nearly infinite set of "ideation packages". Each is assembled by way of context similarities between thoughts, ideas, beliefs, pictures, feelings, and so on. Acceptance procedures chip away at these packages, following the lines of contextual connection, until they simply fall apart. So unless the client stumbles into an incident or entity and gets it handled directly, there is no experience of sudden change. Things just gradually get better, usually unnoticed, until the original condition is gone. So, along the way, nothing dramatic happens as the client recovers its purposes and activities and rehabs its abilities. Nothing dramatic, except a healed life, noticed after the fact if at all. This can be upsetting to a practitioner who depends on clients for referrals, because the client will need to be reminded how things were, and may still not see the connection between the sessions and how things are now. What is gone is really gone, not even available for the client to say, "Well, I used to think several thousand silly things, and they all combined to subtly twist my reality, and that caused me to live in pain and frustration, but in session #3 I found thingy's #45,71, 903 and 13, and in session #17 I found...." It's even more strange for the solo client, because there is no one present after the sessions to remind of how things were and point at how things have changed. So if nobody walks up to you and exclaims, "Shit - you look really different!", you probably won't notice the changes unless life itself startles you into noticing that you aren't responding the way you once did. At least, that's the way it is with Acceptance processing. I don't know why it couldn't be the same with TROM or anything else. -0- Speaker for Acceptance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Acceptance Services Center Acceptance is appreciation without significance. | (415) 964-3436 Appreciation is willingness to experience as-is. --8-- PO Box 390696 Significance is interpretation, or added-on meaning. | Mtn Vw CA 94039 Discussion group: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Home Page: http://www.asc.org --- GIGO+ sn 299 at jacome vsn 0.99.950303 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄTROM-L Ä Msg : 229 of 289 Pvt K/s From : Tron Enger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thu 09 Nov 95 19:31 To : Merritt, John S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fri 10 Nov 95 20:43 Subj : Re: Newbie on TROM ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ th ESMTP id MAA21831 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:02:49 +0100 At 10:59 09.11.95 EST, Merritt, John S wrote: > >Just a short note to test if my connection is working correctly. > It is! >I have commenced running Step 1 and 2 and would like to know the >significance one should place when choosing objects for RI. >Must these objects be physical or can they be more abstract and should they >be of significance. > In my opinion, _you_ are putting the significance into the objects, or, and maybe, even better, you are choosing to put no significance into them. Maybe that's the most important? Your own importance, and not sombody elses? I have used a monkey/s eating pink bananas. Why? Just for the fun of it :-) Nice to have you onboard.! Tron http://www.oslonett.no/home/trone/ --- GIGO+ sn 299 at jacome vsn 0.99.950801 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄTROM-L Ä Msg : 240 of 289 Pvt K/s From : Dustin W. Carr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue 12 Dec 95 07:54 To : trom-l <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue 12 Dec 95 20:17 Subj : Re: so... ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ .dknet.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA16073 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:11:07 +0100 > Richard Kennaway wrote: > > > >Dustin Carr writes: > >>This list is for the discussion of The Resolution of Mind (TROM) a > >>technique developed mostly by Dennis Stephens to provide a means for the > >>annihilation of the mind. > > > >Why is this a desirable thing to do? I am not sure that it is, why don't you just give it a try. ;-) > > > >>TROM is something you do to become a god, > >>to achieve knowledge and conversation with the higher and divine self. > >That sounds more interesting. But how can both descriptions be true? It is a formula that is pervasive throughout mysticism in the east or west; the attainment of divinity through the annihilation of the self. This is not desirable or undesirable. It is a matter of consciousness. Man already exists perfectly; executes his life perfectly, as perfectly as a star in the heavens traverses its orbit. A divine will guides this. Man's consciousness allows him to act in opposition to his will, and this is the great tragedy of man, for the will can never truly be opposed. So the elimination of consciousness is the elimination of human sorrow. But to eliminate consciousness, a man must be delivered from the world of good and evil. TROM is a good tool for this. It is one of many good tools. Most of the above is a lie, and I am a fool to speak it. I know that for one millisecond I am cradled in the hands of God, held against the bosom of the Great Mother, born anew to witness the fire of creation. It never really stops. > An architectural point of view: > > Kind of like building a splendid dwelling on the edge of the Grand Canyon. > People get so carried away with the temporary creation that they miss the > timeless spectacle of nature that is all about them. And sometimes the > building obstructs the full view. And then they forget why they built it > there. Good analogy. So now let us plunge from the edge of this chasm into the abyss. It will come back to us. Be careful with temporal analogies, however. This is not a before and after thing. It is not a becoming. The mind was not formed in the past, and it will not be taken apart in the future. Sometimes we may seek a reason for things existing in our mind, and our mind will give us a reason which may or may not be relevant to the task at hand. If you are looking for cause and effect, then you may not be getting the most out of TROM. As long as we keep this in mind, then temporal analogies are useful because they are easy to communicate in this linear language. Dustin Carr > > Scott Miller > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- GIGO+ sn 299 at jacome vsn 0.99.950801 Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Moderator _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
