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Thank you for the input and pointing me in the right direction. Back to the basics it is for me. Janet -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Martin Foster Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:02 AM To: The Resolution of Mind list Subject: Re: [TROM1] Multiple Viewpoints - Valences Wow Janet - That's quite something to mull over. Dennis says, "All valence shifts involve the adoption of a new identity, whether real or imagined" and. "The valence the being goes into is called the winning valence; the valence he comes out of is called the losing valence." I think and emphasize "think" that it would be just that aspect of overwhelm. We don't particularly like losing and in order to win one adopts a winning valence utilizing past experience. I have seen and experienced this in Rugby. The opposing valences on both sides attempt intimidating the other team with macho "must be knowns" drawn from past experience. BUT what they in effect are doing are going into are games condition with their own minds. LOL and as Dennis says - "As the mind only contains his own past postulates, he cannot possibly ever win the game against his own mind. It is the one game he can only lose." So in TROM we are not looking at assumptions of identities or valences in order to resolve mind. We stick to the following which I think is worth re-reading: "The key to the resolution of the mind, then, lies in exercising the being in the discovery and creation of complementary postulates; and, transiently, in unravelling the tangled mass of conflicting postulates that his mind has become. The mind, being a repository of old games, which are postulates in conflict, has no defence against the application and re-injection of complementary postulates regarding the effects it contains. In short, we vanish the mind by progressively getting the being to create, and do exercises in, complementary and conflicting postulates; to create and experience overt and motivator overwhelms, play games, and generally bring back under his own determinism these four basic postulates - both as SD and PD - which go to make up the interchange we call life. En-route he will discover, or re-discover, all there is to know about life; he will also discover his true nature as a spiritual being." And as far as I am concerned - the above paragraph covers it all. Thanks for the question. Martin Janet wrote: ************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ To Whoever Might Have Thoughts on This: Since this did get into the shifting of valances, I will ask a question that I have been wondering about for a while. When the valance shifts, how much of a shift is it? I mean when someone is overwhelmed and shifts valances, does that person take on the total of the valance of the person that overwhelmed them? Or just the situation that was overwhelmed? Thanks for any insight you all have. Janet -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pete McLaughlin Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:14 AM To: The Resolution of Mind list Subject: [TROM1] Multiple Viewpoints PruJoy This might be a better title for the discussion now. I started my study of the mind with Dianetics. I found both Dianetics and Scientology did not make it clear what caused engrams. The notion of falling off a ladder or getting run over by a truck just did not make sense to me. I had too much reactive mind to be the result of the few operations or accidents I had this lifetime. TROM helped by broadening the source to being postulate conflicts but still left me wondering how I could get overwhelmed enough times to produce the large bank I have. When I read Games People Play the lights came on. When I was a baby or toddler I would be easily overwhelmed and have many vivid recalls of incident from the early years of my life that would fit the postulate conflict with overwhelm definition. Reading multiple viewpoints about this problem of the mind is essential to my understanding of how it all works and how to get rid of it. Keep on TROMing Sincerely, Pete -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of PruJoy 081 Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 11:47 PM To: The Resolution of Mind list Subject: Re: [TROM1] LRH's "failure"? Well ... I find Homer's Scientology viewpoint of TROM as both helpful & fascinating. I have some understanding of the scientology terms that Dennis uses in TROM yet am confused when Dennis does not employ them with quite the same intention. 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