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Hi Pete,
To be honest with you, the games manual you have up looks more like personal note taking to make it easier for you to understand the materials in some way . No harm in that in anyway . I do the same thing on my personal copies. I did notice something that was *not* removed from your publicized games manual notes that made me laugh a bit *The data is quite free. I only ask two things: 1) You use the data. 2) When you duplicate the data, you duplicate it exactly. Not because I am enamored with my prose style, but because altered it could very easily become just another trap in a universe already abundantly endowed with them. * I think what tromhelp.com website needs is an unaltered version of the games manual in full . ( excluding the non working email address's and changes to the L5 chart that add the letters "ed" to the word overwhelm as needed ) This way, others can choose between your personal notes with your alterations and the original games manual as it was published in 1997. Even just adding the link below would be sufficient. http://www.freezoneamerica.org/trom/trom0.html Then it wont appear that you have taken something out of existence to make it not known . It only leads others to wonder what the true purpose is for taking it out of existence. The best way to ruin a good workable technique is to make it even more difficult to understand than it already is to the point that it just becomes totally useless for anyone to use . The materials are nothing short of OT levels right from the start of L2 and up . L5 goes well beyond any technique Scn has ever had and where their whole workable grade chart came to a halt. In fact L3 general timebreaking is not even used in any of the techniques of dianetics or Scientology on their grade chart . So including a link to the original games manual will leave no doubts in regards to the purpose of taking it out of existence because you will still have it in existence by simply clicking a link to direct others to it . Even better , just have the whole games manual on your site . No one can say you're attempting to ruin anything about it when you can click a link and bring it right back into existence again as it was from the start . When I get my site up you can add a link to that one as well if you want . I think the tapes and transcripts are an excellent thing to have up on your site . I was very happy to see them all when I noticed your page months ago and I think Ive listened to all of them for the most part . Had to listen to a few a couple times . It was like having and eating food after years of starvation . L2 is not an easy process and just the thought of going back in time grinding away to find the past is enough for most people to turn and run the other way right from the start . But L2 must be done , no matter how much anyone thinks it doesn't and no matter if they are a class 8 auditor or an OT 8 Scientologist. It needs to be done and so does L3 and 4 to get to L5 It may not take long for an established good case gained person to run and finish in a very short time but it must be understood and the best way to understand it is to use it . Not to say that no one can get case gain using Dianetics or SCN. I certainly have and I know many others have as well . Scn offers so much more than TROM in other ways like the purification run down , comm course , cch's, op pro by dup etc. Stephens just picked up where LRH bogged down and failed and he cracked it . Im sure had the two men been together as associates in 1978, Hubbard would have used TROM in his OT levels and grade chart. But by then LRH was just not accessible and so the story goes. Perhaps some day it will be on the grade chart after the current administration is long gone . I was talking to a friend of mine just yesterday about timebreaking and trying to show him how levels 2 - 5 all fit together as one . He told me he had trouble understanding the games manual . I told him to start with L2 and to find an object from a past scene to view then bring the object from the past scene to the present time scene and make a comparison , find differences and similarities etc. as its written up in the games manual until the exercise ceases to produce any more change . Its not necessary to TB your whole known past on L2, The purpose is to simply be able to find the past and evaluate the past to the present . Once he has the ability to do this and knows its and has no more change from the level , he'll be ready for L3. So it all depends on the persons case level in regard to how long it will take , Keep this in mind when you decide to finish the level . You should be very certain that youre done with it The difference between L2 and 3 is that with L3 you are going to be timebreaking your whole known past . L2 just gets you able to view the past for evaluation and comparison to the present One might think , hey, this could take a while. Ive had past lives that could add up in the billions or more so this is just not possible . I could spend the rest of my life just doing L3 Not the case. You are only using L3 until you have Timebroken your whole *known *past and when you get to the point where your known past ( not all your past ) has been timebroken , there will be nothing more you can find to timebreak , You'll be quite flat on L3 . So flat that no matter how hard you try you just wont have anything with any charge that you can find with your present OT ability So you'll have no choice but to move onto L4. Running the commands on L4 will bring new scenes to view and timebreak just by running the general commands as listed in the games manual . Once you've completed L4 , none of the L4 commands will work for you and you'll be just as done as you were when you finished L3 but with more regained ability and power as an OT . There wont be anything you can do to bring new material from the past to timebreak . So you'll need to use L5 to get the really highly charged big kahuna past scenes that are so charged up none of the commands from L2 - 4 were able to bring to view. Man Id love to just skip it and go right into L5 , cut to the chase so to speak and dam the topedos but Ive been there and done that . The only true thing I understand about L5 is that it must be used and run after completing L2 3 and 4 and that I will never really understand more than this until I get well into it . I also understand the power of a being to use it effectively will just not be there until L4 is done and that most people who attempt to use it are only fooling them self or just outright liying about it . Makes no difference either way Im pretty much ready for L3 but Im not going to take the chance of not being ready . Im doing L2 but when I see something with charge I timebreak it , it just goes "snap " like snapping my finger and its gone forever , exactly how Dennis says it would . So Ive been doing L2 and even a little L3 I guess but I want to do it right and take no short cuts Time breaking is truly nothing short of amazing . My ability to exteriorize is also getting better and Im more able to view present time scenes from an exterior point of view and exercise actions from a distance . Ive always viewed my past scenes from an exterior point of view . The feeling of viewing present time scenes from an exterior point of view is so nice, I just feel so good about being alive again with a huge sense of ability under my control as well as a renewed sense of physical energy and stamina as well . As a human , being "quick witted " seems like such a slow process when you can simply operate as a spiritual being independently of a body . Using my mouth to speak becomes like using a keyboard to type . Its very mechcanical and a nuisance for the most part . Its pretty much what most would call a buzz kill. Unfortunately its not a stable state for me yet either but I know its becoming more and more stable , easy to return to and stay in the state of OT the more and more I take charge off my known past with general timebreaking . Its very progressive too . The more charge I take off my past the more able I become to take off more charge from each level as I go towards L5. So the more known past scenes come to view the more able I get in each level until that level produces no more change By the time L3 is done I should be in a very stable and very desirable condition and very much OT. Ive lost all interest in money , relationships with others that will have no way to understand me as an OT and pretty much anything anyone can offer me in the way of pleasure, or games play or anything in this lifetime . This life time has become like a minute in an hour or a day in a year for me now . Even this planet is noting more than me peaking in to see whats happening here but its not a transition one can make in a short time . Its way too overwhelming to go from the average human to full blow OT and why Mr Stephens mentions the fact that you should live your life too . You wont get there any faster . Not in it to develop my personality skills so others will like me more or to become good at playing games so I can make more money . If I won the lottery it would make zero difference in my life . Id still spend my life heading towards L5 My primary goal is to finish L5 before my body dies Once L5 is done I can do what every I want . Should my body die before then , I may not have the opportunity to do L5 ever again . I don't know for sure but I'm not going to take that chance when I have TROM right in front of me and the time and health to use it So I'll simply use the materials and what ever abilities I regain will be besides the point and secondary to my primary goal of just finishing L5. Then I can truly enjoy all my regained abilities and set new goals , not yet known to me right now . Ive noticed a new ability just recently. I can write emails like this for days on end , long ones that if left unchecked would continue for pages and pages . I could never do this before . I like it and I know its just another ability once lost now regained . So I better end it here Hope the suggestions I wrote about seem reasonable to you Pete . Good luck to everyone on the list using TROM . Anyone can drop me an email if they want to talk about TROM Slim On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Pete McLaughlin <[email protected]>wrote: > Excellent > > If you spot any errors in the TROMhelp.com copy let me know and I will > fix them. > > Thanks Pete > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* TROM By DHS [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Thursday, April 08, 2010 9:22 AM > *To:* [email protected]; The Resolution of Mind list > *Subject:* Re: [TROM1] mistakes in TROM > > > > Hi Pete > > the error is not in the paper version of the original games manual , only > in internet version . Its in the steps for running TROM by Judith Anderson > > She listed 3 ways to run RI and there are 4 ways She left the > > "create an importance > have another create an importance " > > out of her steps for running RI > > Creating an importance is needed when on L5 > > I'll take a look at the changes you made and compare it to the original > version > > I found many *sphelling* mistakes and the errors of not using the letters > " ed " after the word overwhelm on the L5 chart you corrected too . All very > trivial when you consider how useful the material can be as a whole > > > thanks > > Slim > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Pete McLaughlin <[email protected]> > wrote: > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > > What is the mistake in the trom website that you found? > > pete > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]]*on Behalf Of *TROM By DHS > *Sent:* Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:11 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [TROM1] mistakes in TROM > > Hi Pete > > I found a mistake in the trom website the other day in the steps for > running trom Also in the postulate cycle failure chart that I noticed back > in 97 when I got the book > > Just wondering what errors you found and changed or removed > > Thanks > > Slim > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > >
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