************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ TO EXPERIENCE something is according to my experience TO BE THAT THING.So while you are the thing you are experiencing you are that thing, and you know everything about it. Move your quantum particles to occupy the same space of the thing you want to experience , and you are experiencing that thing. It is a good thing to study something about quantum phisics. Level 5 of Trom and RI are the tools to get wisdom from that experience. happy trommin, alessandro .
Il giorno 11/lug/10, alle ore 14:00, [email protected] ha scritto: > Send Trom mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Trom Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14 (Happy Harry) > 2. Re: Trom Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14 (Happy Harry) > 3. Fw: Fwd: a message to the list (jurgen_t...@hotmai) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 03:31:21 -0800 > From: Happy Harry <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14 > To: [email protected], The Resolution of Mind list > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hiya, > > I just wanted to add something to the "to know" discussion. > Personally, I've found that "to experience" is a good definition > for 'to know'. I find that it is a very basic and (possibly) all- > encompassing definition, particularly if "to know" doesn't always > make immediate sense in some context. > > To "know" something is to "experience" it (whether through sensory > perception, a gut feeling, logical conclusion, a spiritual kind of > perception, or otherwise). And by 'experience' I don't mean "a > mental image picture", a scene or any kind of recording of the past > - you may "experience" a mental image picture or scene, but the > scene or mental image picture itself is not the "experience" or the > experiencing. By 'to experience' I mean something you, as an > awareness of awareness unit (in Scientologese), are or become aware > of. If it enters your awareness, if you are aware of it, you "know" > it, or you are 'knowing' it. That can be a sensation, a thought, a > postulate you just made, it can be anything. If you experience it, > you know it. > > To touch the hot stove to see what happens and whether it really is > as hot as they say; to take off your shoes and socks and walk > barefoot through grass; to read a novel for the excitement, the > mystery and the thrill; to annoy the cat repeatedly to see what > happens and how far you can go; to agree to ride the roller coaster > with the scary looking loops; to apparently waste away a small > fortune on a Ferrari just to be able to drive it every day; to > forget something just to remember it later; all this we do for the > experience, all this we do to "know". It's what we do in this > universe, in this (or any) existence - "know". > > It only makes sense that Denis says the "to know" package is the > granddaddy of them all; because it seems everything else (junior > packages) is just some way of knowing (experiencing): to sex (to > experience/know sexual sensations); to eat (to experience/know a > specific sensation through using some physical food source along > with your mouth, teeth, tongue, taste buds, stomach and digestive > system); all these belong to "to know". > > "To know" may be a better use than "to experience", but thinking of > "to know" in those terms ("to experience") may help in gaining a > better overall grasp of "to know". > > Sorry for the wordy response. I just felt like jumping in and > adding my two cents. > > Harry > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> Sent: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:46:39 +1200 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14 >> >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> It seems to me that the word "know" has different meanings and the >> meaning >> used in TROM is very often a very particular one. Here it means >> "getting >> the >> other guy to accept my PD postulate". >> >> One could also know something by being able to access data about >> it in >> one's >> mind. >> >> Or one could know something by pervading it fully, adopting its >> (or his >> or >> her) viewpoint and sharing what it knows already. >> >> And there are other methods of knowing too. >> >> In TROM when one "knows" something one has, to a degree, accepted the >> other >> guy's PD postulate. It is therefore an Effect position. Knowing by >> pervading >> is a Cause position, and it is an act where one makes no attempt >> at all >> to >> get the other guy to accept any data. One is simply adopting, for a >> moment >> or two, the other's position and viewpoint and knowing what it >> knows; or >> even things about it that it does not knowingly know. >> >> These are all things to play with. Also one should not flip >> meanings in >> mid >> process. >> >> Leo >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > ____________________________________________________________ > TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if5 > Capture screenshots, upload images, edit and send them to your friends > through IMs, post on Twitter?, Facebook?, MySpace?, LinkedIn? ? FAST! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 03:45:59 -0800 > From: Happy Harry <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14 > To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Well put, Jurgen. Well put. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> Sent: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:33:39 +0800 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14 >> >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> HE WHO KNOWS TROM FOLLOWS HIMSELF >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 1:47 >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14 >> >>> ************* >>> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >>> ************ >>> HE WHO KNOWS NOT AND KNOWS NOT HE KNOWS NOT, HE IS A FOOL SHUN HIM >>> HE WHO KNOWS NOT AND KNOWS HE KNOWS NOT , HE IS A SIMPLE TEACH HIM >>> HE WHO KNOWS AND KNOWS NOT HE KNOWS , HE IS ASLEEP AWAKEN HIM >>> HE WHO KNOWS AND KNOWS THAT HE KNOWS , HE IS WISE FOLLOW HIM. >>> >>> >>> Il giorno 10/lug/10, alle ore 14:00, trom- >>> [email protected] ha >>> scritto: >>> >>>> Send Trom mailing list submissions to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: Trom Digest, Vol 72, Issue 13 (Rudolf EDER) >>>> 2. Re: Judith's Writeup (peter schanz) >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> --- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 15:05:29 -0700 (PDT) >>>> From: Rudolf EDER <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom Digest, Vol 72, Issue 13 >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> A saying on Knowledge. >>>> Thinking we Know v Knowing we Know >>>> Those who think they Know, say they do Know but do not Know. >>>> Those who Know they Know do not say they do. >>>> (not an exact quote) >>>> Love >>>> Rudi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: "[email protected]" <trom- >>>> [email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Fri, 9 July, 2010 10:00:04 PM >>>> Subject: Trom Digest, Vol 72, Issue 13 >>>> >>>> Send Trom mailing list submissions to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Fwd: please post to the trom list , thanks now and thanks >>>> then . (David) >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> --- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 06:57:53 -0400 >>>> From: David <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: [TROM1] Fwd: please post to the trom list , thanks >>>> now and >>>> thanks then . >>>> To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> >>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> " May I ask why Slim asked you to post the mp3 David? Why >>>>> didn't he >>>>> do >>>>> so himself. If he is now in another dimension and can alter the >>>>> laws >>>>> of the universe - then surely he could post an email?? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Martin " >>>>> I enter into this dimension and leave at will . Martin , use the >>>>> practical materials on levels 1 2 3 4 and 5 every day and you will >>>>> not need to ask questions like this one , you will simply know >>>>> your >>>>> answers as fast as you can create your questions. >>>>> As the being walks this route he soon perceives that there is a >>>>> basic code of ethics that governs conduct, and that when he >>>>> violates >>>>> this code he suffers just as much as his victim. >>>>> >>>>> 1) NEVER FORCE A PERSON TO KNOW A THING AGAINST THEIR CHOICE. >>>>> 2) NEVER PREVENT A PERSON FROM KNOWING. >>>>> 3) NEVER FORCE A PERSON TO MAKE A THING KNOWN. >>>>> 4) NEVER PREVENT A PERSON FROM MAKING A THING KNOWN. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> heres a tip that you can use to help yourself out of this universe >>>>> >>>>> learn how to ask the question and it will always answer itself for >>>>> you >>>>> >>>>> just add and remove the question mark at the end of the sentence. >>>>> >>>>> like this >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> a. just add and remove the question mark at the end of the >>>>> sentence.? >>>>> >>>>> yes the answer is b. >>>>> >>>>> b. just add and remove the question mark at the end of the >>>>> sentence. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> a. like this ? >>>>> >>>>> yes the answer is b >>>>> >>>>> b like this >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> not like this ? >>>>> >>>>> no >>>>> >>>>> not like this >>>>> >>>>> its a forth dimension language and you'll never know it until >>>>> you in >>>>> are the 4th dimension >>>>> >>>>> didnt you know that level 3 stands for the third dimension ? >>>>> >>>>> level 4 is for the forth ? >>>>> >>>>> level 5 is the fifth ? >>>>> >>>>> level 2 is for the 2nd ? >>>>> >>>>> I know your answer and I didnt need to ask you ? no >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Im on level 5 now and its as bad ass as bad ass is. I kid thee >>>>> not. >>>>> But at the same time its like nothing new and no big deal . >>>>> >>>>> I guess the more you are willing to operate on all four legs of a >>>>> goals package in life , the simpler life becomes in so many >>>>> ways. Im >>>>> not guessing , I know it . >>>>> >>>>> there's allot about TROM that Dennis has not mentioned , You would >>>>> not understand it if he had. >>>>> >>>>> Many years ago some of the great philosophers agreed that the >>>>> world >>>>> was flat and that a ship would fall off the edge of the world if >>>>> sailed too far from land . It wasn't just the earth that was >>>>> flat or >>>>> two dimensional , everything was two dimensional in their eyes. >>>>> >>>>> We evolved into the third dimension and I am personality going to >>>>> bring others into the forth and then fifth dimension. >>>>> >>>>> Dennis mentions knocking planets out of orbit in his games >>>>> manual . >>>>> You trust the games manual to be true. If you can trust this >>>>> statement from Dennis then surly you can trust mine as a being >>>>> from >>>>> another universe and time space dimension. >>>>> >>>>> You have the freedom to choose which parts of the games manual >>>>> to be >>>>> true and which you choose not to trust of hold as a possibility . >>>>> >>>>> You have the choice to not hold my statements as a possibility as >>>>> well . I will never force them on you or prevent you from knowing >>>>> >>>>> You have chosen to trust some of what I say to be true and some >>>>> not , and thats as it should be . You should always have your >>>>> right >>>>> to your own convictions , even if your convictions are false or >>>>> prevent you from knowing the truth . >>>>> >>>>> I have a proverb I like to use >>>>> >>>>> It goes like this >>>>> >>>>> " If you must ask others for your answers , then you're not up to >>>>> knowing and should use levels 1 - 5 of TROM " >>>>> >>>>> Its what TROM is all about : ) >>>>> >>>>> " knowing " >>>>> >>>>> So dont just sit around and talk about using TROM ......USE IT !!! >>>>> >>>>> I wish you all the best >>>>> >>>>> I always have and I always will. >>>>> >>>>> I am Slim and I am the 1 >>>>> >>>>> package delivered >>>>> >>>>> Have a nice day : ) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/Slim42ndstreet >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkVDmqmVZtI&feature=related >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/ >>>> 20100709/403ac44d/attachment-0001.html >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Trom mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>> >>>> >>>> End of Trom Digest, Vol 72, Issue 13 >>>> ************************************ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/ >>>> 20100709/01680576/attachment-0001.html >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 16:19:11 -0700 (PDT) >>>> From: peter schanz <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Judith's Writeup >>>> To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> >>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Hi Colleen, >>>> ? >>>> I noticed you mention offering assistance to get back on track with >>>> trom ? >>>> ? >>>> I have had it for a while but could not get the first level >>>> running....guess I'm one of the out of pt?contact ? >>>> ? >>>> I spent some time @ celebrity center 3 or so years ago and left due >>>> to lack of $. >>>> ? >>>> I have shared trom with lots of people, but none seem to find it as >>>> interesting and?hope of it being a?very valuable tool as it seems >>>> to me. >>>> ? >>>> I just came back from India....was hoping to get some gains form >>>> doing a course @ the OSHO center, along with other >>>> meditations....didn't quite get?the freedom from my mind. >>>> ? >>>> Anyway, I could go on with all the different therapy work i have >>>> tried Landmark, lifespring, A.A. and never getting very?stable >>>> gains.... >>>> ? >>>> ?I have been looking for is someone to connect to that feels they >>>> could support me getting trom working for me.....if you can or know >>>> of someone who i could contact i would really appreciate this. >>>> ? >>>> I am in Los Angeles. >>>> ? >>>> Look forward to hearing back from you, >>>> ? >>>> thanks >>>> -Peter >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> >>>> Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that >>>> can be counted counts. >>>> >>>> -- Albert Einstein >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It is not titles that honor men, but men that honor titles. >>>> >>>> -- Niccolo Machiavelli >>>> >>>> >>>> Tolerance implies no lack of commitment to one's own beliefs. >>>> Rather it condemns the oppression or persecution of others. >>>> >>>> -- John F. Kennedy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Sun, 7/4/10, Colleen Peltomaa <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Colleen Peltomaa <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: [TROM1] Judith's Writeup >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Sunday, July 4, 2010, 9:24 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> ************* >>>> The following message is relayed to you by? [email protected] >>>> ************ >>>> >>>> Anything more from Judith?? Could/would someone send me their >>>> writeup of examples or demos of the different levels of games.? I >>>> think RC already sent me something too. >>>> >>>> Great for publishing this write-up!! >>>> >>>> If anyone needs some auditor help to get back on track with TROM >>>> please pm me.? I work for the learning experience, thank you. >>>> >>>> cheers! >>>> Colleen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Trom mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/ >>>> 20100709/47ecdf4d/attachment-0001.html >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Trom mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>>> >>>> >>>> End of Trom Digest, Vol 72, Issue 14 >>>> ************************************ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Trom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > ____________________________________________________________ > Send your photos by email in seconds... > TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if3 > Works in all emails, instant messengers, blogs, forums and social > networks. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 19:59:25 +0800 > From: "jurgen_t...@hotmai" <[email protected]> > Subject: [TROM1] Fw: Fwd: a message to the list > To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > A message from Slim... > > > From: Slim > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 19:44 > To: Jurgen > Subject: Fwd: a message to the list > > > > Hi Jurgen > > Please forward this message to the TROM list . > > > > Thanks > > Slim > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i92wMb17KO8&feature=channel > have a nice day : ) > > > > -- > http://www.theresolutionofmind.org > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/ > 20100711/47b16d6e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 72, Issue 16 > ************************************ _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
