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I definitely think there is a learning curve to TROM. I am about to start Level 5 so I am rereading the whole manual again specifically the Level 5 material. I also downloaded the transcripts of some of Dennis' earlier talks particularly the problems LRH ran into with doing work on GPM.
The Pilot has some good material on GPM and also highlights the difficulties with this areas. Apparently it is a line of research that LRH abondoned as Dennis intimates and he started looking at it. I personally think enormous amounts of charge lifetime after lifetime are built up on these goals we have and abandon and oppose in our quest to win the game and so we cycle through and often down through them all. I see it on a daily basis when I have my do list. If I don't get it done that day (the things I lised for my self to complete) they get all snarled up the next day when I have the previous day's undone tasks plus the new day's tasks to do. This is more than just incomplete cycles of action Expand that out to a week, a month, a year, a lifetime, several 1000s of lifetimes and we have enormous charge sitting there. I can understand how people get into overwhelm on this. If goals are imposing time and space and effectively being OT (voluntarily choosing to play a game) then I can see why it is important to clean this up and I definitely think it is a high bridge action. Dennis had no read on any of the OT materials while he was busy with Level 5 so we can see the "seniority" of TROM in terms of what it is able to deliver. And I think one has to approach TROM with respect. It is powerful but deadly stuff. We are taking apart the fundamental reasons for having a mind. And for me life often gets in the way and then I give TROM a break for a few weeks (as Dennis suggests). But I am no meek follower. I think through some of his stuff. Some I have questions about and others I don't entirely agree with. Hence my reading as much as I can about the whole GPM thing. I sometimes wish I had an auditor who can work with me on this stuff if only to get me to keep a regular schedule to do he work. But it's a solo process. I have drawn up the chart the way I see it and am still working through it before I start Level 5. There is much to be said for runnng a process until the end. Yet at the same time there is merit in chipping away all around something until eventually the whole thing collapses. Something the Pilot suggested with some processes. No two people's minds come apart the same way. And dropping back to the previous level and redoing some processes, taking a break, rereading the manual, rewriting the manual in one's own words all help. And last night I had a dream about being audited. Someone asked me about theta perceptics and when was the first time I ever had a mind? I woke up after that. Come on Colleen 'fess up! ;) Okay let's see about Level 5. LJ On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 2:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Trom mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: The Emperor has no clothes (Martin Foster) > 2. Re: The Emperor has no clothes (Martin Foster) > 3. Re: The Emperor has no clothes (David) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:47:06 +0200 > From: Martin Foster <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] The Emperor has no clothes > To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]>, The > Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > At 27/07/2010 Tuesday 20:07, William Harper wrote: > >I would like an honest show of posts from all those that think > >that TROM is written in clear language and has no problems with > >TROM, and all those who are having difficulty with TROM. > > > >I would like to see an honest show of posts from those who think > >that TROM should not be rewritten ( simplified ) in clear > >language, and from those who think it should be rewritten in clear > >language and on a suitable gradient. . > > ---------- > > I find it interesting that you want a vote on this. Persuasion by numbers? > > I have been Tromming now for about 10 years. My greatest difficulty > has been to discipline myself to keep on Tromming. Life and living > becomes so very interesting. > > To me TROM is in clear language and the only reason you find it > difficult is because you are studying it through a complex filter. > > I sincerely suggest you find a Scientology practitioner and get run > on the CCH's. > > Martin > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20100727/5ca6ab61/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:49:36 +0200 > From: Martin Foster <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] The Emperor has no clothes > To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]>, The > Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Correction: It was David Pelly who wrote - William - please accept my > apologies. I was quoting from your quote. > > Martin > > At 27/07/2010 Tuesday 20:07, William Harper wrote: > >I would like an honest show of posts from all those that think > >that TROM is written in clear language and has no problems with > >TROM, and all those who are having difficulty with TROM. > > > >I would like to see an honest show of posts from those who think > >that TROM should not be rewritten ( simplified ) in clear > >language, and from those who think it should be rewritten in clear > >language and on a suitable gradient. . > > ---------- > > I find it interesting that you want a vote on this. Persuasion by numbers? > > I have been Tromming now for about 10 years. My greatest difficulty > has been to discipline myself to keep on Tromming. Life and living > becomes so very interesting. > > To me TROM is in clear language and the only reason you find it > difficult is because you are studying it through a complex filter. > > I sincerely suggest you find a Scientology practitioner and get run > on the CCH's. > > Martin > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20100727/bf69acbc/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:06:42 -0400 > From: David <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] The Emperor has no clothes > To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > > HI Martin, > > I thank you for your reply and congratulate you on your success with > TROM. > > > Regards, > > > David > > > > > > On 27-Jul-10, at 3:49 PM, Martin Foster wrote: > > > ************* > > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > > ************ > > Correction: It was David Pelly who wrote - William - please accept > > my apologies. I was quoting from your quote. > > > > Martin > > > > At 27/07/2010 Tuesday 20:07, William Harper wrote: > >> I would like an honest show of posts from all those that think > >> that TROM is written in clear language and has no problems with > >> TROM, and all those who are having difficulty with TROM. > >> > >> I would like to see an honest show of posts from those who think > >> that TROM should not be rewritten ( simplified ) in clear > >> language, and from those who think it should be rewritten in > >> clear language and on a suitable gradient. . > > > > I find it interesting that you want a vote on this. Persuasion by > > numbers? > > > > I have been Tromming now for about 10 years. My greatest difficulty > > has been to discipline myself to keep on Tromming. Life and living > > becomes so very interesting. > > > > To me TROM is in clear language and the only reason you find it > > difficult is because you are studying it through a complex filter. > > > > I sincerely suggest you find a Scientology practitioner and get run > > on the CCH's. > > > > Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trom mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20100727/4138d9e5/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 72, Issue 27 > ************************************ > -- Llewellin RG Jegels Founder of New Adventure Publishing "Turning Dreams into Reality" Cell:0715689338 Fax:0865408636 email: [email protected] web: www.newadventurepublishing.com
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