************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ I agree with Harry, TROM has his purpose and it works. Maybe a problem is with people that need to run CCH from SCN. Slim is annoying, (he his the best of which empire?), just do Trom and put other on Trom , able to go on by themself. Consciousness is always expanding , so we should discover more applications of Trom in daily life as we go on on Tromming. I have used RI on a public to get him a sort of relief from a compusive game he was in.Most people can not be let alone doing Trom, it is important to have a class of student playing Trom with a supervisor at the beginning. I have done a class with three people and I have seen that beginners let alone don't follow the instructions of Dennis, but do Q & A and go in all other directions. BEGINNERS are not used to pass thruogh a somatic, that is the biggest problem.If a somatic shows in the exercises, they just quit the exercise, and don't keep doing Trom to go through the somatic. It is quite dangerous to let Trom so easy available.It should be made available to a student that has given a demonstration of his hability to go through a somatic and make it vanish. This is my opinion, happy Tromming, alex.
p.s. Dennis you have been great in discovering Tom ! thank you! Il giorno 29/lug/10, alle ore 14:00, [email protected] ha scritto: > Send Trom mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Fwd: The Emperor has no clothes (Happy Harry) > 2. Re: The Emperor has no clothes (Pete McLaughlin) > 3. Unraveling the Mind (Colleen Peltomaa) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:21:15 -0800 > From: Happy Harry <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Fwd: The Emperor has no clothes > To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Man, David, I just can't keep quiet any longer. Judging from your > previous posts (e.g. the one two weeks ago, titled 'A release'), > you are not doing the exercises as they are described in the book. > If you're not following "Denis's" style, as you put it, you can't > blame it on Denis when you fall flat on your face because of it. > I'm sorry man, but that's the simple truth of the matter. > > TROM is simple. It may not be 'easy' (the biggest problem being > disciplining oneself to just do it, and doing it regularly), but it > is 'simple'. It is not complicated and hard to understand. True, > some of the underlying theory pertaining to level 5 you'll have to > chew on a bit before you really understand it. But what's level 5 > got to do with level 3? You're on level 3 now, aren't you? Why is > it necessary to understand level 5 before you can do levels 1-3? > Levels 1-3 are very simple. The commands are very simple. And if > you understand them (they may be hard to grasp because they are so > simple) and you do them, you will have gains and will make > progress. I myself haven't fully understood all of the TROM manual > (mostly some of the level 5 stuff). But that's okay, because I'm > not on level 5 and none of it will prevent me from doing Levels 1 - > 3 properly. If I have a question or I bog down, I post it on the > forum, I ask for help. That's what the forum is for: for help and > support > . How are your tirades help or support? > > Putting together a simplified version of TROM as a > 'supplement' (NOT a substitute) to the TROM manual - IF at all > necessary - I would entrust only to someone who has actually > understood TROM thoroughly and in its entirety, who has done the > exercises faithfully as per the instructions in the manual and has > had great wins with them. Are you really sure you are that person? > > Having He-Man, the master of the universe on this forum, self- > proclaimed saviour who will save us all - that's still bearable. > And who knows, maybe he really is who he says he is. In which case, > good for all those of us who will be saved come December 2012. > But having someone trash Denis, calling him a 'fucking asshole', > trashing TROM and calling for it to be stripped to its bare bones, > that's just too much, man. That's just a little too much. I'm sure > you can see that. > > So David, chill out man. I'd rather see you winning with TROM than > running off having had a really bad experience with it. Really, I > do. I want to see you winning all the way. I want to see you > thoroughly completing each level, all the way until the top of > level 5. > I'm sure someone here on this forum will be happy to help you out > if you decide you want to get unbogged and carry on with actual > TROM. It can't be me, as I'm not at Level 3 yet. But someone will > certainly answer your call, should it be an honest and sincere one. > > But, for Pete's sake (no pun intended), enough with all that trash > talk already! It's not helping in any way. > > So, let's do some TROM, shall we? :-) > > Harry > (Still a compulsive games player, as you can see. But I'm working > on it. :-) ) > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> Sent: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:30:28 -0400 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [TROM1] Fwd: The Emperor has no clothes >> >> ************* >> The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] >> ************ >> _______________________________________________ >> Trom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > ____________________________________________________________ > TRY FREE IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if5 > Capture screenshots, upload images, edit and send them to your friends > through IMs, post on Twitter?, Facebook?, MySpace?, LinkedIn? ? FAST! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:41:17 -0700 > From: "Pete McLaughlin" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TROM1] The Emperor has no clothes > To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Mac > You make many good points in your answer to David. > > I would like to ad that Ouran in his Ghost Danse articles observed > that as > he tried to look at level 100 of the tone chart which is > knowingness and > creation he found that the mind is wonderfully creative and will > instantly > conjure up any "reality" the being wants to see. It was therefore > very hard > to pin down what this area of the tone scale actually was. > > Ouran also makes the observation that viewing the area at the tone > scale > called native state is not possible from points below knowingness > on the > tone scale. A being who is compulsively involved in creating games > cannot > get a good reality on native state or nirvana which would be just > being > joyfully without any need to do or have anything. > > My own experience early on in the Catholic idea of heaven "where I was > expected after death to go sit around admiring what a fine fellow > God is" > sounded awfully boring to me. > > Likewise trying to understand TROM where it says to find a postulate > conflict and timebreak the charge from it. I at first found it > difficult to > recognize what the postulate conflicts were. After all, being > continually > obsessing over my problems with lovers, money, taxes, government > rules etc. > is "normal" isn't it. It took reading the Ghost Danse articles and > Levenson' > s Keys to Ultimate Freedom and postulating that I was in a state of > "Nirvana" or just being joyfully, harmless to everyone while doing > and > needing nothing that I began to recognize my compulsive game playing. > > It is all fun and interesting. > > Keep on TROMing > Pete > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/ > 20100728/33fac61f/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:15:49 -0400 > From: Colleen Peltomaa <[email protected]> > Subject: [TROM1] Unraveling the Mind > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Hello LJ, > > I have had attention on a dropped comm cycle and the prospect of > auditing > you. > > The subject you bring up comes up for me as "topography of > consciousness" > and was viewed from above today briefly. Briefly, I created it -- > or part of > it-- and it is placed two universes above, is guarded/managed, and > it "runs" > this universe below. I had seen it before. "Topography of > Consciousness" > is a highly charged chain for me, and we saw it briefly today > toward the > end of running a this-lifetime incident. > > "When did you first decide to have a mind?" seems to be tied in > with the > key-in mechanism. > > Just as Arslycus is now a ghost town, who can conceive of lifting > up from > this universe and heading for a more theta location or state of being? > > LJ, since the auditing cycle has begun how would you like to carry on? > > best, > colleen > > > -- > *?) ? > .?? .?*?) .?*?. * > (?.???Colleen*.?*? ? > .?? .??? ??* <> ) > (?.?* (?.?*??`?.** > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20100728/ > d2f657af/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 72, Issue 31 > ************************************ _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
