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*OK DAVID ! * April 8/'11
*I'm getting really fed up with your suppressive generalities and entheta*. I'm going to start taking you to task on them, starting now. Do you know that speaking in generalites instead of specifics is one of the 12 traits of an antisocial personality per LRH? Do you know that negating and spending more time speaking about how wrong and bad many things are instead of emphasising what's good or right is also one of the 12 traits of an antisocial personality per LRH? Usually when I read your emails, I get dispersed and enturbulated; Is that what you are trying to accomplish? Sometimes when you are not ranting, and mention some author specifically, and say something good about that author, then I don't feel that way? Why is that? Let's look at this email... On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 4:49 PM, David M. Pelly <[email protected]>wrote: > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > > Roberto, > > > Oh thou proud, little, feeble minded man, composed of few theta units, > and dressed in false authority to suggest who should be on this list. > Thou art most assured of what thou art least aware. > Name one thing specifically that Roberto said that upset you, and your proposed solution, please. > > I thought there were a few more useful theta units at your end, but you > fooled me. > You sound really charged up about this. You said that you finished level 4; If so, then why are you so dramatizing compulsive games, and so burned up? I read in the manual that a person would be quite peaceful and in a voluntary games condition by the finish of level 4. Perhaps you should get your buttons on 'false authorities, sheople, lies, belief, and intellectual authority time broken'. Compulsive games conditions are not what occurs at the end of level 4 !! Perhaps if you did TROM the way Dennis said to do it instead of squirrelling it with other additives, you may get more results out of it. You evidently are not able to evaluate data, which is the purpose of scn, the science of knowing how to know. You evidently flunked that one. Which datum did he not evaluate correctly; refer us to it please. *Please don't claim to be a* *level 4 completion; that's a false attest and lie to yourself !* ** What you are implying is that a person is not supposed to use his own brain and evaluate everything that is coming into his own brain, but be a parrot, a robot , a monkey like you, and accept everything that someone says as "holy" or true. Who is someone? That's a suppressive generality. The term 'a person' can also be made to be a generality. Which person did you have in mind? Generalities only serve to enturbulate, disperse, and overwhelm an opponent. THAT'S IT ON THAT DRAMA ! THE ABILITY TO EVALUATE SOMETHING AS TRUE, BASED ON OBSERVATIONS MADE, AND THEREFORE DECIDE THAT IT IS TRUE IS 'USING ONE'S BRAIN'. eg..Do you think that the engineering behind the building of the Golden Gate Bridge wasn't true because you didn't give it your personal approval, and evaluation ? ! The tech of the bridge is correct, because I drove over it and it still stands, even without my personal approval. I've gotten very good releases from the TROM tech, so that validates my original postulate. After reading the data, I decided that it was true, (my postulate), and awaited the confirmation by actually doing the procedures. When the doingness matched the theory that I read, that confirmed my postulate to BELIEVE that it is true based on my knowingness. I capitalized the word, BELIEVE, because you have such a button on it. The belief postulate is a preliminary postulate that allows one to go to the next stage of trying it out to confirm, or unconfirm that the theory was correct. That is not the way I operate. I am not a parrot, a robot or a monkey. I think and evaluate for myself and screen everything that is coming into to me. I learned a long time ago, to believe nothing, that the function of believing is only that of the intellectually challenged, that the truth is not determined by authority, that nothing is true unless it is proven to be true, that most of every thing I hear and read is false; and less than half of what I see is true. Name one thing that Roberto said as false, and then explain how that one datum is false, so that we can have an intelligent conversation on it. The definition of stupidity is the inability to evaluate data. In scientologese that is known as not able to "as-is". Non exactness will also make one stupid !! Generalities don't as-is anything. DAAAAH ! YOU HAVEN'T EVALUATED MUCH DATA HERE ; GIVE US SOME SPECIFIC EXAMPLES, without the entheta attached. If you had sufficient theta units, and were able to evaluate data, or as-is you would see all the lies, traps and false data in scn and TROM. More generalities and entheta. How could you as-is your bank when you think this way? PLEASE NAME ONE SPECIFIC DATUM IN TROM which is false, a lie, or a trap; how in your almighty rightness do you decide it to be false. Based on what observation?LET'S GET REALLY SPECIFIC!! I DARE YOU TO !! Now we'll talk, and really evaluate it. Maybe it is you who should not be on this list, or any scn related list, because you cannot recognize or handle truth and honesty. Prove that you've got the truth and honesty; show us some ! I haven't seen much of it from you lately on TROM or Scientology from you because you haven't given very many exact examples; I can't evaluate those other practices that you referenced, because I haven't studied them, nor applied them yet. Because I don't have the data to know that they are false or not false, I automatically take the default by conscious postulate that they are correct; In other words, I believe them until I check them out and have reason not to believe them. It seems like you are applying Napoleanic law, in which one is guilty (false) until proven true. THAT IS PSYCHOTIC AND SUPPRESSIVE AS A WORKING MODEL. I assume (believe) it is not guilty (correct), and give it the benefit of the doubt, as I believe a social personality would, until I've properly tested it and deduced it was false. But you climb on a high horse, beat your chest and assume false authority and imply to me who evaluates and calls a spade a spade ( as-is), not to be on this list. You haven't told us where the spade was; did you bury it by accident? Hmmmm. That is further evidence that the truth is guarded by assholes and lunatics and others of low theta endowment who determine who should be allowed access to clearing tech. You showed me how much you needed access to the clearing tech when you showed a non-desire to get your computer fixed so you could even hear the lectures; that sounds a bit dilletantish, doesn't it? It sure is a crazy, aberrated world. Why do I feel that it's a crazy, aberrated world when I read your emails, and not anyone elses? Because I'm not fighting like Mike Tyson in most of my emails, except this one, I guess that makes me nuts, right? Your BS contributes to the constrained flow of truth on this list and prevents many people from the benefits of TROM. I once sent a friend here to learn about TROM and he took one wiff of the stench of intellectual dishonesty on this list and left. You and Mike and at least one or two others remind me of the Muslim believer extremists who are determined to kill all infidels and everyone who criticizes their Mohammed or Quran or and does not believe as they do. Specifics, please. Same crap, different pile. If you've finished level 4, then why do you seem so threatened by this; perhaps you should show your prospects your success stories that you've had with TROM. WHY HAVEN'T YOU POSTED ANY LATELY IF IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO YOU !!!! As a wise man articulated: The holy man, the believer, says the holy is truth. The truth seeker says the truth is holy. (I know that it is likely that you will not be able to figure that one out so I will explain it: The difference is; the holy man is unconscious and unable to evaluate and needs authority to tell him what to believe, he is a sheople, ( still very low on the scale of intellectual evolution) and the truth seeker is conscious, does not need to believe, and is able to evaluate and decide for himself on what is true.) It seems that you are the new holier-than-thou authority that we must believe and listen to, who speaketh very angrily (1.5 - very keyed out, man! Very level 4!) Your letter says a heck of a lot more about you, than me. You and the likes of you are only intelligent enough to argue to defend your ignorance. Just like the Muslim extremists. Beware of those who have read only one book. I suggest you go and find some theta units. Best wishes, ( really ? that's 1.1 ) David Hello David You have every right in the world to your well-founded opinion, which for shure is as valid as mine. But maybe you wish to have a thought or two about your motivation to stay on this list. Best wishes Roberto _____ Yes, David, ( Gawd ), if we aren't worthy of thou, then thou shouldn't converse with us lowly ones, except if you are 'fighting the infidels', and punishing/overwhelming us with generalites and entheta, and opposition postulates. It seems you love a game; go back and finish your level 2 or 3. At least I can admit that I'm not finished on level 3, per the DATA IN THE PACK !!! > Aarre Peltomaa > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > >
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