************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ Hi, Leo. I like your definition. I think that "importance" is the multiple-valued term. Look at article of Ouran "SYMBOLS, MEANING AND PHYSICAL OBJECTS" in Ghost Dance.
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Definition of Importance (Leo Faulhaber) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 08:57:36 -0700 (PDT) > From: Pete McLaughlin <[email protected]>; > Subject: [TROM1] Saving the planet > To: The Resolution of Mind list <[email protected]>; > Message-ID: <[email protected]>; > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > HI Colleen > ?You asked if people on level 5 feel some desire to save others. > I agree with your observations that others are unwilling to let go of their > compulsive games playing.? My observations of my own and others compulsive > games play is that no one wants to let go of their compulsive games play.? In > addition i find that there is an balance in games play where for every > compulsive victim in games there are compulsive malefactors to take the > opposing role in their game. Victims seek malefactors and malefactors seek > victims.? They each need the other to satisfy their compulsion to play their > separate roles in their games. > My personal feeling at this time is that "saving the planet" is not a game i > would like to pursue.? The people on this planet are playing their current > games as the solution to the last games they lost and will resent anyone > taking away the game they are playing. > > As a general rule if you take away the current game people are playing at the > will adopt a new game of getting you. > If you wish to help others remember the first rule for superheros is: Do not > try to save others from their folly until they are aware they are in trouble. > > The exception to the above is that i talk to my wife and children about the > games they are playing and even poke fun at them when they try to get me to > take a role in one of their games.? However, I grant them the beingness that > they do not have to stop playing the game just because I say so, and I take > no offense when they mock my words or point out my own compulsive games > play(that's hard to do at times). > > The most i am willing to do for the planet is to make the TROM materials > available, be a good example to others and use my knowledge to help my wife > deal with her games play. > This seems to be working. > > Keep on TROMing > > Pete > > --- On Sun, 5/15/11, Colleen Peltomaa <[email protected]>; wrote: > > From: Colleen Peltomaa <[email protected]>; > Subject: [TROM1] RE Level 5 Completions > To: [email protected] > Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 9:49 PM > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by? [email protected] > ************ > Hello Andre, > > I expect Pete and Slim to complete.? If anyone else has completed they are > not here to answer you? :-) > > The good news is that three new people started late last year and are > continuing.? No, make that four new people? :-)? All four of us are hovering > around Level 3, and one of us may be doing some Level 4, and he also has the > greatest understanding of the Postulate Failure chart.? He also delivers very > very thorough CCHs, not the way the Church of Scn. does it. > > Timebreaking really works when I do it correctly and consistently.? Then I > seem to get falsely lulled into a sense of peace and tranquility and stop > doing any processing, etc., happy to engage with the environment.? Then > someone says "boo" to me the wrong way and I have to force myself to open the > TROM manual and sit down and have some formal sessions, making new resolves > to not let myself get blind-sided like that again. > > The good news is that there are some moments when I can put myself into a > state of total calm, as Dennis says happened with him.? > > Also, I started to notice flickers of an exterior to the body viewpoint.? For > example, I can sometimes visualize running the body by placing my viewpoint > at the back of the body.? This only works so far with gross motor functions, > such as digging, raking, hauling, etc..? > > But I am also still getting through the second run of the CCHs, and am on > CCH4, which is the one I find the most difficult (book and hand mimicry). > > Last night I picked up a book on simple carpentry and I discovered that > unlike other times I decided it was okay to learn the basics, to mimic what > others are doing.? It wouldn't "kill" me after all? :-) > > The question I would like to respectfully ask those on Level 5 is:? do you > share the same concern Dennis seemed to have about clearing the planet, and, > if so, do you share his confidence that it can be done with TROM theory and > processes as they are now presented? > > The reason I put out this query is that personally, the more aware I become > of games conditions the more it strikes me that there is almost no one I know > who wants to give up their compulsive games, or even is aware of what they > are doing, even scientologists who post on groups in the Freezone.? Even > myself, but somehow I "KNOW" that the postulate failure cycle is currently > exactly what I need to learn to process and get through to the end, but that > knowing did not come facilely. > > colleen > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20110516/5da21e88/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 02:39:38 -0700 (PDT) > From: peter schanz <[email protected]>; > Subject: [TROM1] (no subject) > To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], > [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], > [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]>; > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > http://www.archiviosalute.it/wp-content/themes/classic/life.html > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20110517/5abb4b7e/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 12:24:29 +0200 > From: Leo Faulhaber <[email protected]>; > Subject: [TROM1] Definition of Importance > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]>; > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello everyone > > I seem to have some difficulty with Dennis' definition of importance which > is "Enforcement of knowingness". For me importance is also "Hindrance of > knowigness" or "Enforcement of not-knowingness". > > So I made up the following definition of importance for myself which is "a > more or less strong conviction that someone or something should be or not be > something, do or not do something, have or not have something, know or not > know something, experience or not experience something". > > What do you think about this? > > Best wishes > > Leo Faulhaber > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20110517/b542c360/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > End of Trom Digest, Vol 82, Issue 8 > *********************************** _______________________________________________ Trom mailing list [email protected] http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
