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On Jun 30, 2012, at 7:44 PM, [email protected] wrote:
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Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 11:30:44 -0400
From: "David M. Pelly" <[email protected]>
To: TROM List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [TROM1] RE What Dennis says about "Human Ape"
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Colleen,
Your question is more complex, or of greater magnitude, than I
think you realize.
I would say that at least for one thing, the primary clue or idea
lies in the article:
How to study a Science, in New Slant on Life.
And in the phrase: "completing the cycle of learning".
It is not humanly possible for one person to search, learn, figure
out, understand, everything a person needs to know, to live life
successfully, and understand the body, mind and the world around them.
Humanly not possible, yes. One has to go well beyond human. I have
to think that most here on this site realize that and are therefore
on the search for beyond humanity, what is the real answer to
existence. Then too I believe that most here know that the search
must lead well beyond the physical and into the spiritual.
So my simple answer to Colleen's question is ... You will not find
what you truly wish to know and one may not even have a clue as to
what the answer will entail without realizing that the answer lies
beyond the physical universe. Therefore fighting the physical
universe and this thing that we are all being in the physical
universe, homo sapiens will not yield an answer but in fact keep one
trapped and imprisoned. It is a path and continuing circle that will
lead no where for it is based only on what one knows and believes at
this time. There is much to know and we don't and are not even
expanding our knowingness into the realms where that knowledge resides.
It takes a life time of very hard work for one person just to
figure out one part of it.
Yes it does and then one may have only completed the circle they are/
were on and wind up right where they started from. One can do this
over and over and over thru many lifetimes and only wind up with just
different paths but all leading back to the same beginning and the
need to do it all over again, hoping that by just some chance, some
quirk or hiccup in the system of life in the physical universe that
there causes and provides one a chance to break out of the never
ending circle/spiral as so many have called it.
Hubbard studied voraciously since he was kid to come up with what
he did and it is just fraction of what we need to know.
He was unique in that he broke a lot of new ground and blazed a lot
of new trail.
And he knew very well that he only scratched the surface, even
though he said things to the contrary. ( I could only assume that
he said what he did, often because it is what the group wanted to
hear. It was their tone level and theta level. Hubbard was very
clever.) That is why he wrote the article, I mentioned above.
I also see it as to say what he knew and discovered was only
communicate-able within the communication system and language, belief
systems, reality systems and knowingness systems of those he
communicated to. Other than that ... there is no communication.
Kinda like a gotcha. One must move beyond this to know beyond this
here and now and present.
And talked about completing the cycle of learning.
In regards, specifically to your request, part of the answer is
in the fact that we have several brains, three or four at least.
We only, or for the most part have control over the analytical
brain, The frontal lobe.
Or cerebrum cortex. We have a little bit of control over our next
lobe, the cerebrum medula.
The other brains are preprogramed.
This is fairly synonymous with "this ape's evolutionary history".
They contain all biological programs like heart beat, hunger, eat,
digestion and elimination, sex drive, reproduction, fight or
flight, emotions, the desire to survive and the desire to know,
etc., etc.
You can't really change those parts, at least not significantly.
I would say, that this is what Dennis means in his words. (I don't
think it can be anything other than that.) :
Within "Life and Life Forms""
"....When you try and fight this ape's evolutionary history you
always lose."
So that part is the basics.
As for the rest, of which there are a lot, the answers are
scattered through out a heck of a lot of other great work from
many great minds, recorded in books from the beginning of time.
That has been part of man's relentless quest for knowledge, the
desire " to know".
I found a lot of answers to your question and many others in the
bible, the Oahspe, the Urantia, and Dr. R.G. Hamer's work in what
he has named: The German New Medicine, to name the more
significant ones. There are many more. These subjects should be
thoroughly read and studied.
The answers are not always written or explained in simple, straight
forward language. There are many metaphors and allegories.
I get the idea or hunch that, earth is someone's fancy terrarium
and we are creatures in that terrarium, along with everything else
you see on earth.
Yes, that is one description.
And everything, and I mean everything, every move everything
makes, everything we know, is pre programed or and controlled, or
dispensated when we need to know.
But also may be dispensed and totally missed by the dispensee for it
is well beyond his current system of communication, language, reality
and ability to know that which is staring him right in the face.
Everything we need to know at any particular time on this time
track is already available and all we have to do is ask and search
for it, or some entity is ready to and wants to channel it.
Yes, if one can ask the correct question and get an answer which
communicates to the complete person that one is being, this style of
opportunity to know exists.
From the evidence, clues and signs given, I think just about
everything we know, for this stage of our evolution is already
given and completed. If you need to know something, you just have
to do your homework.
Homework yes. The first part of that lesson is to free the mind and
not have it in a games condition. Second, when one is now able to
just 'know', one has to be able and know where and how to look for
those heretofore unknowables that have always been there just waiting
to be known.
I suspect there is going to be some significant change soon.
I do too. For me, it's like nothing is really the same anymore as I
was born, learned and experienced what is. Things are now different
and I have a sense that there is more to be learned, similar to the
phase starting with birth, childhood, learning and schooling to the
first step into adulthood where one still is learning but essentially
is just applying what was learned beforehand and now has the
opportunity to advance that learning by self application and experience.
If you want to know something,( the quickest and best route is, and
it has the best answers too) the first step is, just ask that
empty space in front of you. It is alive and well. It is
omniscient, omnipotent and omniscient.
Ask non ceasingly. When you are ready your teacher will appear.
I can see that you know how to know and that the basic to that is to
ask the question. Always be ready, willing and able to ask and don't
stop. There is more out there to know that is not known than could
ever be quantified.
As a note about TROM. Once you have completed Level 5, that is only
the step that puts you at the threshold of being able to know what is
beyond that doorway. You are no longer hindered or trapped by yourself.
Now, go out and KNOW!
The second part is start looking, reading and considering, and
contemplating. Keep your eyes, ears and mind open.
That is the way I see it.
David
I can see that you see the path quite well and are prepared and
willing to walk it. I read recently, 'don't be disheartened by the
length or depth and work necessary to know what there is to know,
you have forever' and I will add, so get off of the merry-go-round of
forever and start.
Paul/Level 5 in progress
ps: This is why I now include further study along with meditation
(the trek to learn and know about one's own spirituality. What is
one with all of the physical universe stripped away and discarded
completely. As a big nothing, a big zero, what and who are you
really). It is going well earlier or behind 'The Decision to Be'.
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