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I suggest an addition to the TROM Manual:
"For a real live example of a person that dramatizes compulsive games play and irrational behavior read the hostile postings of David M. Pelly." Von: David M. Pelly [mailto:[email protected]] Gesendet: Samstag, 7. Juli 2012 02:00 An: TROM List Betreff: [TROM1] Slim, be honest and forth coming and put all your cards on the table. Slim RE: your post on Ip lectures and paranoid definition You are not being honest. You have witholds. You are continously contradicting yourself or misrepresenting yourself and misleading everyone on this list. That is insanity. Why? First you did a considerable amout of scientology before you learned about TROM. Therefore you have had to have most of your case resolved. You said you tried to do TROM some ten or more yrs ago and couldn't do it. Then you had TROM put on cassette tapes and listened to them some 40 times over a period of 10 yrs. That is an heck of long time to consider and contemplate TROM. So don't mislead us as if any newbie can simply read the book and do TROM. Therefore I highly doubt if you would be able to do TROM, like you are telling everyone else to do. (And there are several others on this list that are not honest also, in regards to TROM's workability) In regards to using TROM with sedona. I spent several months trying to do TROM on it's own, according to the book, until I was almost ready to jump off the bridge. Then Pete or someone else suggested I try a lower gradient by using Sedona. I studied Sedona for a couple of days and cmbined it with Sedona and I began to get some results. So using Sedona and any other tech that works is a perfectly sane and logical process, and not insane as you say. The value of an idea is determined by the number of problems it solves, not by propaganda. And by the way: A friend of mine cuts his own hair and has done it for years and you could not tell. It is a pretty good job. So cutting one's own hair is not insane. David > From: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 00:07:24 -0700 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TROM1] > > ************* > The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] > ************ > THE IP lectures by DHS. > > Interesting lectures for sure. Also that it's upper level materials of TROM not included in the games manual . > > Definition of insane ? the inability to reason and inability to use logic. > > SPOCK on star trek for example considered himself very sane and used logic. I'm sure most would agree that SPOCK was a very logical and reasonable person . More so than his fellow trekies. > > One can be missing information and have the inability to reason until all the information is available. But that doesn't not make one insane. > > The insanity point aka impossible point is actually defined as the inability to reason. It's where one reaches the point that one can no longer reason. One has in fact hit the ceiling in their ability to use logic and can no longer reason . > > Others may fly right past the IP of another while some other person flys past that persons IP. it's in fact conflicting postulates in opposition to each other. > > It's the point of not being able to reason . We all have IP's. There are no paradoxes in the universe but there certainly are self imposed conflicting postulates created by each of us. > > In theory , the IP no longer applies when one can reason with everything in the universe. > > Pete for example, his logic that it's perfectly ok to use Sedona method, dianetics, and TROM simultaneously. That's insane.......lol it's unreasonable. Others want to have another person use GPM auditing on them. Even though they know it's been proven to be completely illogical and flawed. But still have an interest in using TROM. Go figure. Lol > > It's interesting to see others who operate in small spaces. LRH defined paranoia as operating in small spaces or more precisely , one who is lacking space to operate in . Their operating space is collapsed around them. > > It's makes sense to me now . The more space one operates in , the less paranoid one is. The less space the more paranoid. I see it on others allot now. I can see how much space they operate in by what they say and do on a daily basis. It's very different from one person to another. I can see how paranoid they are. Based on the space they operate in . Or both. > > The paranoids , operate in a small spaces, they don't dare expand outward or venture out of that space . It's too risky. ; ) > > The more I expand in regards to space , the easier it is to see others who operate in smaller spaces. There are many others who operate in spaces much larger than mine. > > My wife for example. Smoking is not allowed in the house . It's permitted outside only. > > It's her rule , not mine. > > I don't smoke . I lit one of her cigarettes in the house the other day and was laughing my butt off with her reaction. She chased me all over the house trying to get the cigarette from me so she could get it out of the house. > > It's our house, who cares , it will clear out in a few moments, but for her it was as if the house were on fire......Lol. It's not as insane as the barber who can't cut his own hair but it's close enough. > > Perfect example of unreasonable behavior . She hit the insanity point . Her IP not mine. > > The best way to get to the top of level five is to spend your free time using the levels 1-4 then spend your free time using level five . Every day if possible . > > If I were any of you , I'd do what I do . Just use TROM . The shortest distance between two points, two particles, is a straight line. It's so incredible simple . > All ya gotta do is use it. It's so incredibly powerful too. But it's completely useless if you don't use it correctly or use it at all. > > Zig zagging here and there back to here then over there a few times and back to the beginning is not a straight line. > > You can't use TROM and not use TROM simultaneously. It's the only thing in this universe that is impossible , it's the definition of insane . You can't be in china and not be in china at the same time , can you ? Ask Jurgen ; ) > > You also won't get there with auditors auditing GPMS with you either. > > Lol ....... > > You won't get " there" reading TROM. The most reasonable way is to simply use the materials in the games manual . It's the shortest distance between two points. Starting TROM and finishing TROM. Use TROM......lol > > This post, as with most of my posts, are for those considering using TROM. Not for the list members who post on this list. I gave up on them long ago. Lol > > Everything one needs to resolve the mind is in the games manual. No need to use any other stuff. You won't get there any faster. You might not get there at all. You'll just make a mess out of perfectly sound and useful technology. Why prolong the journey......? > > > Good luck : ) > > SLIM > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trom mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
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