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Hi Martin,
Sorry for the long delay in answering.
I did some studying and then wrote an email to Tom Campbell's MBT
forum and had them check "My understanding of perception in NPMR" for
correctness to theory. I have included that email below.
On Aug 16, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Paul Tipon wrote:
Wed, 08 Aug 2012 12:50:39 -0700
Thanks for the comm Paul - much to still mull over. One thing I am
certain of is that I am uncertain.
Excellent! That is a very interesting comment. The fact is that you
are quite right in being uncertain. There are many things that in
fact do not exist as an objective reality. Because of this there is
actually nothing there to know except the fact that the data is
uncertain, having not come into reality through inspection and
measurement. Yes, to know that there is ... something over there
that cannot be defined and is therefore uncertain is a statement of
true fact, truth. Of course this is the theory of MBT and that
reality is a virtual reality. This virtual reality itself does not
become real, objective or solid until the probability of what may be
real is subjected to inspection and measurement and all probabilities
and probable scenarios condense down to each observer's objective
reality. Through this process, one comes to finding their own
personal truth and reality. It is essentially what LRH has said,
what is true for you is true for you. There is not a better way to
put it. On a more or less humorous note to this ... just be sure
that your truth is not so far wide of everyone else's that you don't
wind up living in a world solely of your own. At that end of the
truth spectrum, there is the situation of being delusional.
Also keep in mind that each observer has his own subjectivity which
is an integral part of reality. Because of each observers personal
objectivity and subjectivity there too is a common reality which is
where those objective and subjective realities of each observer tend
towards being the same, equal or similar to each and to all. In the
overall picture, there is nothing that is exactly the same for every
individual in the physical universe. Like Tom Campbell says, 'we all
must learn to live graciously with randomity'. And like LRH has
stated, 'There are no absolutes'.
Martin
I don't know how much of Tom Campbell's, MBT you have read. I have
read the entire book. I found it quite interesting and true. I also
found it validating many of the things LRH has said and likewise the
other way around too. I don't see that there were any contrary or
opposing viewpoints from either theory.
I would contrast the two as ... MBT is a theory of the complete
platform of existence in the conscious universe of both spiritual and
physcial manifestations. LRH's contribution is more into a segment
of that consciousness which is characterized by that component called
the mind while also detailing much of the qualities of the spiritual
consciousness too, the Thetan.
For your pleasure I now present "My understanding of perception in
NPMR".
Reality is information. When one gets information about the
multiplayer PMR reality game, one interprets it in the way we have
learned when we were first infants, born into this lifetime of
experiencing PMR reality. We interpret reality in terms of our body
(5 senses and central nervous system (CNS)) because our body
represents the constraints of the rule-set within the PMR frame.
Reality is nothing but data. When we travel as our consciousness
(soul) to a distant star system within our galaxy, what we are doing
is accessing data about that star system from the PMR past data base
which is very current. The last entry in PMR is only one DELTA-t
older than the present. Recall that our virtual reality (like most
all large complex virtual realities) is probabilistic and statistical
rather than objective (listen to the Hawaii seminar on YouTube) and
that detail is computed according to probability and based on the
rule-set. That data is brought into this PMR reality frame when a
measurement is made by some entity operating (being aware) within
PMR. Otherwise, the 'data' consists of possibilities with their
attendant probabilities.
When you are OOBE, you are not operating as a body in PMR, you are
operating as a consciousness of and in NPMR, that same consciousness
that operates a body in PMR as an identity. The data you get about
that star system is whatever is probable at whatever level of detail
that has been produced by the system (TBC) thus far, according to the
rule-set and the need for detailed data by direct observation
(measurement) from within the PMR system. If there are no aware PMR
entities living there and making measurements or if the only
measurements are from telescopes on Earth, then not much detail will
have been computed. Your data received would be very top level and
preliminary. That is, that part of the “objective” map of our
universe hasn’t been computed yet and will not be computed until
measurements are made by aware PMR beings that are there, demanding
the data (making measurements) … Why waste cycles in a virtual
reality computer game if the calculations are not needed for anything
relative to game play?
First, you only get data from the database that you ask for. If your
query is not specific, what you get back is not specific. It is
sometimes difficult to ask very specific questions unless you
understand the possibilities (something about the potential
answers). If you are not careful with your query, you might end up
in the un-actualized database, instead of on our PMR history thread.
Often the query process is an iterative one that eventually digs down
to what you want to know through a series of more specific queries.
This takes practiced skill.
Secondly, you must interpret the data you do get. (e.g., that data
available in the database on our history thread or some part thereof
depending on the completeness of the query) Your interpretation is
limited by your fear, ignorance, ego, knowledge of the possibilities,
understanding, expectations and beliefs. If you are not very
knowledgeable about your subject, you may not be able to interpret
the data correctly. These reasons and explanations should give you a
good idea why what you get about some star system is not the same as
the data you get when inspecting something here on Earth.
Reality is not objective though it approximates being objective when
the conditions for historical continuity and those same conditions
that abide by the rule-set, contain little uncertainty. When zipping
about places largely unknown, the uncertainty is great, thus the
“physical” reality in these places is ill defined and mostly still
probabilistic, i.e., non objective, undecided, not part of the
objective PMR yet. Expecting what you “see” in NPMR to be just like
seeing things in PMR is a big mistake and is based on an incorrect
understanding of the nature of reality. Probability (what is
actually in the database), querying skills (how effectively you are
at accessing that data) and uninformed interpretation (Not being able
to understand what the data means relative to your personal
experience, fear, belief and expectations.) all these make a big
difference in what you can come away with. The nature of perception
is very different in NPMR than it is in PMR, though sometimes,
depending on the situation, the results can be very similar.
[In a sense, one's imagination could approximate probable data. One
would just have to keep in mind that the imagined data has
probabilities, having not been actualized and that the probability
can be very high to very low as well as being conformed to the rule-
set of the particular PMR into which that imagined data would be
processed against. Then too, who is to say that a skilled
imagination couldn’t predict what will be found to be true in the
future. Or, who is to say that one is not actually getting the
probability data and then calling it imagination.] (the foregoing
bracketed thoughts are entirely my own)
Paul/Level 5 in progress
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